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Elbows, shoulders...
"They're still a good team without Duncan,'' said Jason Terry, who had 20 points for the Mavericks. "They have good solid veterans, and give credit to Ginobili. ... He was the hot man, and everything we threw at him he took advantage of.''
Yes, you guys did throw a lot of things to him.
http://www.nba.com/games/20071205/DALSAS/recap.html
Elbows, shoulders...
Literally.He was the hot man, and everything we threw at him he took advantage of.''
...knees, fingers, hands across the faces of Ginobili - you name it.Elbows, shoulders...
I need an objective Spurs fan opinion. When Tony Parker got the clear path foul: did you really think it was a hard enough foul to send Parker sprawling and rolling around and then acting like he was injured only to get up and be fine? And then Brent Barry to come over and shove Terry away when he was checking on him? To me, and yes I'm a Mavs fan but I can be objective, it looked like Parker smartly went more into Terry to initiate contact, which he should. Then of course Terry makes contact and Parker goes sprawling like Terry took a cheap shot. I thought Parker did what he should do to get the foul on a breakaway. However, I did not think it was a clear path because Terry appeared to be ahead of him. But, was it really necessary for the drama of pretending to be injured? Thats all I'm asking. I thought there was rough play on both sides. Manu threw a good elbow on the play when he got the "shooting foul" and the technical foul. It was happening both ways. Please, let someone objective answer.
True that.
... including the kitchen sink.
RE: Terry,
He has history on his side.
As a Spurs fan, he will get no benefit of the doubt from me.
Lol fair enough. Thats why I need someone who can just talk about the play without the other crap. I hear ya tho, I do the same thing with other players...one being Bowen. I cannot talk objectively very well about the guy. Thats ok, someone will be able to help me out. Its just a question. Wondering if it was me as a Mavs fan feeling like Parker went overboard to sell it or if it was really necessary.
Maybe he wasn't exaggerating the contact. Even if you know it's coming, sometimes the momentum sends you flying anyway.
Never forgot that Parker (or Manu) comes from a country where soccer is THE major sport. In soccer flopping and acting is an art.
Yeah, I know these are grown men running full speed. Yeah Terry has pissed yall off lately, but I just feel like what Tony did was a little excessive and made it look way worse than it was which makes things worse for Terry in the eyes of Spurs fans. I know flopping has become a big part of the game, ala Manu and Devin, but to act actually hurt. That is really something that gets fans calling for another players head and it seemed extreme. Owell. Great game.
It may have been a little acting on Tony's part while he was on the ground, but he was at full speed and Terry did push him intentionally. When you're running at full speed and someone pushes you, you lose control and hit the ground.
Very true. Hey, we've got a budding star in the art of our own named Devin Harris. I even yell at him sometimes to not be so dramatic.
Look, Parker probably sold that one well to the refs. But here's the thing: the Spurs had to adapt to the way the refs were calling the game. They had to walk the tightrope between bodying up on defense and not picking up any fouls.
Right from the early going, the Spurs wanted to be physical, while the Mavs were making all the right moves to get calls from the refs. Devin Harris went down on his back more than a hooker on dollar night. Nowitzki was flailing around pretending he was being pushed around by Oberto, Finley, Elson, etc.
On the other end, Parker and Ginobili weren't getting calls while trying to finish in heavy traffic, even though Howard and Terry were getting in their shots. It seemed like the refs were giving calls on histrionic performances rather than actual contact. The Spurs had to explicitly show that they were being hit.
I don't blame the Mavs, I blame the refs. They were:
a) encouraging preening, play-acting es Dirk and Harris to exaggerate contact and flop
b) Not punishing hacks like Terry and Howard on defense unless the Spurs went down and acted like they were shot.
The Mavs took advantage of the horrible refereeing early on, and the Spurs took a while to catch on. The Spurs don't like playing these kind of games, but they didn't have a choice.
Salvatore is the absolute pits when it comes to refereeing. The 4th quarter Maverick parade to the FT line is typical Bennett. How Stern and Stu Jackson let this incompetent clown officiate in this league is beyond me.
If it had happened to Manu, I think the question would be a fair one. But Tony isn't well known for his flopping ability.
When I saw the replay, I thought it was a significant bump...and deserving of a flagrant 1...but only because there was no move for the ball, it was all body.
With Parker, I think he was running full speed, and then was hit or bumped, whatever...that sent him flying. I don't think the intent was the hurt him in any way...as for him "acting like he was injured..." well, maybe it took a second for him to pull himself together. I don't know. I think you're blowing that out of proportion. I could be wrong though. Maybe I need to see it again.
And Barry pushing Terry out of the way...meh...Terry pissed everyone off last night, so whatever. Terry is hardly a victim.
Elson should have grabbed Terry by the leg when he tried to kick him in the nuts and twisted it off.
Fair enough, fair enough. I hear ya about Salvatore. He gave us the benefit last night for sure but if you saw him ref our Indy game where AJ got kicked out...you would have laughed. Even if you hated the Mavs, you would have laughed. It was a joke and not just by Mavs fan standards. He is pretty pathetic but he is also equal opportunity. We were on the Spurs end of it when we played Indy and yall got the shaft in the 4th quarter last nite. He is pitiful for everyone...except maybe DWade...haha jk I won't start that up again. Anyway, great game by the Spurs. Everyone stepped up especially in the 3rd quarter. I believe I saw the stat that yall were shooting 70% in the second half at the start of the 4th. And I believe at the same time, we were shooting garbage at 38%. The roles really reversed after half-time. I blamed the end of the court. One side was good and the other bad because yall shot poorly in the 1st half while we shot fairly well. Oh well, no excuses here. Spurs played better, deserved to win.
1. Nobody who makes a living with his body-- legs, ankles, knees--takes a header going full speed for a fake cheap foul.
2. Can you spell balance boys and girls? --b,a,l,a,n,c,e,-- Good, I knew that you could. Sometimes you lose it. When going full blast it might not take much to cause a terrible looking fall.
Free throw attempts:
Dallas - 35
San Antonio - 22
Does any 'objective' Mav fan want to address why a team that has two guys driving to the hole as much as Manu and Tony ended up with so many fewer free throws last night?
Haha, yeah I wish I could. Only the referees can explain that for you. I don't really know what you would want us to say other than....man that sucks.
What in the Matrix look-a-like was up with the flying knee kick to the midsection of Elson and then they call a foul on Elson??
what the ? these guys arent invincible. what makes anyone think parker was faking being hurt when he went down??? looked like a hard foul/fall to me.
Yeah, for any fans out there who think Stern loves the Spurs:
Does any other team with a dominant big man and two of the best penetrators in the league see as many games where the opponents will get 10+ more free throws AT HOME?
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