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    I Got Hops Extra Stout's Avatar
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    He's not the anti-pope...



    So does the Pope support evolutionary science too, or does he pick and choose which sciences to support, ya know, like republican Presidential candidates do?
    RCC explicitly supports evolution.

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    global warming must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology
    You absolutely have to be tin' me. The Pope is wanting hard evidence in order to believe something? This is coming from a man that believes in an invisible man that lives on the clouds and can see everyone and know what everyone is thinking all at once. I think I've heard it all now. Thanks for this. My only question is, did he make this statement before or after his daily exorcism?

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    Oxymoronic it is not. Technically it would be ironic if it were ironic, or maybe hypocritical, if, again, it were. The Pope's authority is in matters of Faith, and dogma is the standard method thereof. Environmental science should have nothing to do with dogma and ideology; Benedict XVI is merely stating common sense: that science should NOT be influenced by ANY ideology, external or internal. No need to be a secular scientist to say that. When seen in light of this correct understanding of Benedict's statement, your joke now reveals itself to be the true, albeit unintentional irony. Ironic that someone implying a scientific position would find the Pope's statement ironic, or, as you put it "oxymoronic."
    Here is an oxymoron:

    Big Shrimp

    Here is another:

    Scientific Theologist

    You cant be both. Pick one or the other.

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    You absolutely have to be tin' me. The Pope is wanting hard evidence in order to believe something? This is coming from a man that believes in an invisible man that lives on the clouds and can see everyone and know what everyone is thinking all at once. I think I've heard it all now. Thanks for this. My only question is, did he make this statement before or after his daily exorcism?
    Well I would like some "hard evidence" that man is causing
    all this global warming. If WE are causing all this stuff,
    how come all these damn experts cant even tell me what
    the weather is going to do within the next five days.
    And they have all these expensive gadgets to help them
    tell me.......as you say you have to be " ten me".

    And I am sure the folks in Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas
    would damn sure like to see some this global warming.

    Give me a break. A little common sense would help.

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    Well I would like some "hard evidence" that man is causing
    all this global warming. If WE are causing all this stuff,
    how come all these damn experts cant even tell me what
    the weather is going to do within the next five days.
    And they have all these expensive gadgets to help them
    tell me.......as you say you have to be " ten me".

    And I am sure the folks in Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas
    would damn sure like to see some this global warming.

    Give me a break. A little common sense would help.
    So I take it you're the asshole that's been throwing trash on the side of our highways? Since you happen to be so scientifically inclined and have read and understood all the do entation written on this subject, please provide us with your assertion. Please help those of us that haven't read the extensive research that you have understand.

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    So I take it you're the asshole that's been throwing trash on the side of our highways? Since you happen to be so scientifically inclined and have read and understood all the do entation written on this subject, please provide us with your assertion. Please help those of us that haven't read the extensive research that you have understand.


    he listens to hush limbuagh. seriously, he agrees with whatever hush says..

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    Spoken like a true atheist. Christians and their leaders are
    all stupid.......
    Yes, they think we are stupid.

    Thing is, many of us have had true spiritual experience. Direct experience is good enough for me.

    Over our heads?

    Get real and stop being ignorant you athiests. You shouldn't speak about such things you don't have a clue about.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 12-15-2007 at 11:17 PM. Reason: spelling: Changed "should" to "shouldn't"

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    So I take it you're the asshole that's been throwing trash on the side of our highways? Since you happen to be so scientifically inclined and have read and understood all the do entation written on this subject, please provide us with your assertion. Please help those of us that haven't read the extensive research that you have understand.
    Yeah, I go around throwing stuff out all the time. People
    like you have to have a job.

    And pray tell what do entation exist that says man
    has created all this "great" global warming. And may I
    ask: what is the normal temperature for earth?

    Nope, my fine friend, I see you do the same as most of
    your group, just call someone who doubts a bunch of
    names and accuse them of being ignorant when it is
    you who don't want to know what the real truth is.

    The real truth of the matter is what I posted. Tax the
    out of the rich countries, lllooooo, Uncle Sugar,
    and give it to the "poor" of the world. Socialism.
    Want to know where the communist all went to. Check
    the environmentalist. They have a new home and
    religion.

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    When will we just all man up and admit there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously
    Pretty stupid statement.

    Congrats.

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    I take Benedict pretty seriously as a theologian and an author, but not so seriously as an e enical diplomat to Protestants.

    That is because he is an accomplished theologian and author, but does not even try to be an e enical diplomat to Protestants.

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    Pretty stupid statement.

    Congrats.

    My statement is based on a couple highly plausible assumptions, and I dare you to seriously challenge me that either of them are not HIGHLY PLAUSIBLE:

    1) Most people who consider themselves christians (especially in the u.s.) are hypocrites, and not true hardcore religious people, and are susceptible to focusing on superficialities like the way a person looks

    2) Most people who exist in this world that glance at this man's face and try their best to ignore his Pope Garb will admit his face looks evil.

    Drop your christian goggles for one second
    the guy looks very sinister, if you saw him walking down the street in jeans and a Sooner tshirt you would think he was a pedophile

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    My statement is based on a couple highly plausible assumptions, and I dare you to seriously challenge me that either of them are not HIGHLY PLAUSIBLE:

    1) Most people who consider themselves christians (especially in the u.s.) are hypocrites, and not true hardcore religious people, and are susceptible to focusing on superficialities like the way a person looks

    2) Most people who exist in this world that glance at this man's face and try their best to ignore his Pope Garb will admit his face looks evil.

    Drop your christian goggles for one second
    the guy looks very sinister, if you saw him walking down the street in jeans and a Sooner tshirt you would think he was a pedophile

    As I said, stupid statement.

    Thanks for expanding and confirming how stupid it was to begin with.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    What the POPE really needs is a image make-over...

    Film-maker Zeffirelli vows to help Pope with image

    ROME (Reuters) - Italian film and opera director Franco Zeffirelli is offering his services to Pope Benedict as an image consultant, saying the German pontiff comes across as cold and needs to review his wardrobe.

    Zeffirelli, acclaimed for movies such as "Romeo and Juliet" and "Jesus of Nazareth," said in an interview with la Stampa daily on Saturday the 80-year-old pope did not have "a happy image."

    "Coming after a media-savvy pope like John Paul II is a difficult task ... Benedict XVI still communicates coldly, in a way that is not suited with what is happening around him," Zeffirelli said.

    "It's an issue I have been discussing with people who have key roles in the Vatican," said Zeffirelli, who has directed some Vatican television events.

    "The Pope does not smile much, but he is an intellectual. He has a very rigid Bavarian structure," he said.

    Zeffirelli, 84, added that papal robes were "too sumptuous and flashy." "What is needed is the simplicity and sobriety seen in the other echelons of the Church," he said.

    Zeffirelli said he was in regular contact with the Pope's closest aides and had also made proposals to "defend the image of faith in cinema, the image of the sacred."

    "The Holy See intends to pay a lot more attention to this," he said.

    He said today's religious films were "a horror that the Holy See does not know how to stop.

    "I am a Christian down to the depths of my spirit. I can't stand by while this disaster unfolds. I am available to put myself at the service of the Church," he said.

    "If they officially give me a supervisory role, I will do it full-time."

    The Vatican was not immediately available for comment.
    Yahoo

    Hey, I know, sell some of those precious works of art you have lying around in the Vatican basement and give the money to stop the genocides in Africa and other places....nah, that's a reach....

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    As I said, stupid statement.

    Thanks for expanding and confirming how stupid it was to begin with.
    As i've said, youre an argentinian that is pro globalization and has no real grasp of what the is going on in my country

    I see more americans when I go to the convenience store to buy blunts than you do in an entire year. I know I'm invading your precious christian bubble of protection but if you wanna drop the pretense and debate a few posts in a logical manner then explain to me how my two statements aren't highly plausible, senor smeagol.

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    What the POPE really needs is a image make-over...

    Film-maker Zeffirelli vows to help Pope with image



    Yahoo

    Hey, I know, sell some of those precious works of art you have lying around in the Vatican basement and give the money to stop the genocides in Africa and other places....nah, that's a reach....


    ROFL
    after i posted my last reply last night I actually looked up if others agree on the web he looks evil and the first thing that popped up was that article saying how the pope does not have a "Happy image"
    rofl

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    Just for laughs




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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    YIKES! this one isn't even photoshopped


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    Look at the statement I quoted on post #35. That is what I was refering as moronic (I know you are known to come up with many moroninc statment in one post, but this time I quoted and exopanded on only one).

    You said "there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously"

    which is obviously a stupid statement, any way you analize it.

    Then you talk about stuff Americans do. This is is totally irrelevant given that no more than 6% of the world's catholics live in the US.

    Actually, your statement speaks pretty poorly about Americans as a whole, if they can't get past looks when judging good and bad.

    Next question, dumfvck?

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    Benedict's priorities lie primarily in places where the Star Wars trilogy is not a very big deal.

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    Benedict's priorities lie primarily in places where the Star Wars trilogy is not a very big deal.


    But show those folks a picture of Palpatine and I bet they make the connection.

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    Benedict's priorities lie primarily in places where the Star Wars trilogy is not a very big deal.

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    Look at the statement I quoted on post #35. That is what I was refering as moronic (I know you are known to come up with many moroninc statment in one post, but this time I quoted and exopanded on only one).
    my bad
    You said "there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously"

    which is obviously a stupid statement, any way you analize it.
    i clarified by saying i meant in america
    Then you talk about stuff Americans do. This is is totally irrelevant given that no more than 6% of the world's catholics live in the US.

    Actually, your statement speaks pretty poorly about Americans as a whole, if they can't get past looks when judging good and bad.

    Next question, dumfvck?
    Very astute of you mr globalist, that was the point.

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    I love J.T. smeagol's Avatar
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    i clarified by saying i meant in america
    Not on the post where I extracted my original quote from, you didn't.

    Here it is, in case you forgot it:

    When will we just all man up and admit there is no possible way anyone outside of hardcore catholics will take this pope seriously

    he looks almost TWICE as evil as Cheney, I've never seen anyone with such horrible dark circles under their eyes....he is the anti pope and cheney is his pupil the anti christ.


    BTW, good one, DarkReign
    No mention to America (not on this post, not on the next one . . . on your third post of this thread there is a mention of Americans, which is irrelevant when talking about Catholics and makes you look that much more ignorant on the subject)


    Very astute of you mr globalist, that was the point.
    So your point is Americans are stupid, Mr Islationist?

    Ok

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    Not on the post where I extracted my original quote from, you didn't.

    Here it is, in case you forgot it:



    No mention to America (not on this post, not on the next one . . . on your third post of this thread there is a mention of Americans, which is irrelevant when talking about Catholics and makes you look that much more ignorant on the subject)




    So your point is Americans are stupid, Mr Islationist?

    Ok
    I was simply trying to point out that if people have not accepted the fact that casual american catholics and casual catholics with an american state of mind will never take this pope seriously(at least relative to John Paul II), they should do so.

    I realize it had nothing to do with the topic of this thread but every picture i see of this guy he reminds me of the prophesied antipope.

    Sorrry senor smeagol!

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    So much for that argument. The Vatican is even going so far as to buy carbon-credits.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/25/wo...hp&oref=slogin


    ROME — Pope Benedict XVI reinforced the Vatican’s growing concern with protecting the environment in the traditional midnight Christmas Mass on Tuesday, bemoaning an “ill-treated world” in a homily given to thousands of pilgrims here in the seat of the world’s billion Roman Catholics.
    On the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ some 2,000 years ago, Benedict referred to one early father of the church, Gregory of Nyssa, a bishop in what is now Turkey. “What would he say if he could see the state of the world today, through the abuse of energy and its selfish and reckless exploitation?” the pope asked, according to the Vatican’s English translation.

    He expanded on the theme briefly by saying that an 11th-century theologian, Anselm of Canterbury, had spoken “in an almost prophetic way” as he “described a vision of what we witness today as a polluted world whose future is at risk.”

    In recent months, Benedict has spoken out increasingly about environmental concerns, and the Vatican has even purchased “carbon offsets,” credits on the global market to compensate for carbon dioxide emissions, for the energy consumed in the world’s smallest state, Vatican City.

    In his third Christmas Mass since being elected pope in 2005, Benedict also inaugurated the Nativity scene on St. Peter’s Square.

    The pope devoted most of his homily to the theme of the difficulty Christ’s earthly parents, Mary and Joseph, had finding lodging in Bethlehem as Mary neared giving birth.

    “The time came for Mary to deliver,” the pope said. “And she gave birth to her first-born son and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger because there was no room for them in the inn.

    “Those words touch our hearts every time we hear them,” he continued.

    Benedict compared that with what he suggested was a lack of room in the hearts of people today to hear the message of Christ’s birth.

    “In some ways, mankind is awaiting God, waiting for him to draw near,” he said. “But when the moment comes, there is no room for him. Man is so preoccupied with himself, he has such an urgent need for all the space and all the time for his own things, that nothing remains for others — for his neighbor, for the poor, for God. And the richer men become, the more they fill up all the space by themselves.”

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