Brent Barry running the Point (whottt)

[timvp]

In any case...welcome to the Barrywagon...better late than never

Still waiting for those links . . .

[whottt]

Dude for 4 years you've been saying Barry playing like this is entirely up to him...and I've been saying it's what Pop lets him do....when Pop doesn't let him do it, you say Barry sucked...when Pop does let him do it, you say he played well.

I've been saying since day 1 when Pop let's him run the offense he plays better...that's his game. He's not a true shooting guard....he's a combo guard, but really he's a point guard.

You guys have been the ones trashing him for not being a spot up shooter when he never was one...now he finally is one and everyone saying...oh , this guy can do when he actually initiates the offense.

Welcome to my world.

Link that.


It's about Pop and control....


Barry didn't come here to suck, nor was he afraid...if he was afraid of big games, he wouldn't come to the freaking Spurs...and that's what you guys have been claiming. I told you it was bogus.


Pop had a lot to do with it. He finally started playing like Pop wanted, Pop won his control battle(even thought it was never about control for Barry, it was about changing his game) and now Pop is saying...damn, you know he's actually pretty good at initiating the offense.

[polandprzem]

Does anyone remember the triple towers? When Pop would put Perdue, Drob and Duncan on the court at times? Back in 99?

Perdue siad it was his idea and then ... in the playoffs he bearly played any minutes

As for Barry - he was running the poing in the past.

I do not get it where is this missunderstanding.

Is he playing a PG or is he just a guy who brings the ball up and then in the half-court offense he changing into a combo combo SG combo

[whottt]

THe misunderstanding is because timvp is a ing stathead....


If Barry's not bringing the ball up or there is another PG on the court, timvp doesn't consider that running the point...and while 82 games might agree with him...a lot of people don't have that strict of a definition...


Using timvp's catholic school definition of playing the point...then David Robinson wasn't a point forward in 94...and he damn sure was that...even though he never brought the ball up and there was almost always some kind of PG on the floor with him.

[whottt]

Next thing you know you guys will finally realize I never lost that bet to chump about Barry's minutes...since Devin Brown got injured

[The Truth #6]

Barry could run the point if Bowen was guarding the other team's point guard. That might leave other defensive liabilities, but with certain teams, this could be a viable situation.

Vaughn just plays it safe, which is great when he's backing up Tony but when we need to be aggressive on offense to overcome a deficit, I don't think Vaughn is typically the answer.

Darius could be the answer in another year. The energy is there, but he might have the worst handle of any point guard in the league. He dribbles way too high and had problems bringing the ball up against the press. Put another way, his handle might even be worse than Beno circa 2005 Finals. Nonetheless, since we pulled him up from the D league we need to play him a little bit to get the most out of that move.

[timvp]

Dude for 4 years you've been saying Barry playing like this is entirely up to him

Link to where I criticized Barry for not being a playmaker? I'm sure that link is where those other links are.

...and I've been saying it's what Pop lets him do....when Pop doesn't let him do it, you say Barry sucked...when Pop does let him do it, you say he played well.

I've never criticized Barry for his playmaking. Unless, of course, you can produce any of these links I've asked for.

I've been saying since day 1 when Pop let's him run the offense he plays better...that's his game. He's not a true shooting guard....he's a combo guard, but really he's a point guard.

He's been playing well this year without playing point guard. This was the first time he played point all season outside of a couple possessions in the preseason.

Barry doesn't depend on playing point to be a good player. You just owned yourself on your own take.

Welcome to my world.

Link that.

Whottt's World.

It's about Pop and control....

Cue the violins. When Barry doesn't play well it's because Pop's mean to him.

Pop had a lot to do with it. He finally started playing like Pop wanted, Pop won his control battle(even thought it was never about control for Barry, it was about changing his game) and now Pop is saying...damn, my starting point guard is injured, my backup point guard can't hit a shot and I don't trust my third string point guard because he's just off the boat from the D-League.

Fixed.

THe misunderstanding is because timvp is a ing stathead....

If Barry's not bringing the ball up or there is another PG on the court, timvp doesn't consider that running the point

Rawfull.

I'm a stathead because Barry hasn't played point guard this year and I call you out on it? Now that he actually did play point guard, you are still trying to call scoreboard on things I've never argued with you about. Unless, of course, you could produce any of those half dozen links I've asked for.

It's also pretty funny that now Barry doesn't even need to bring the ball up the court to be considered the point guard in your eyes. No one sees when Barry is playing point except for whottt, of course. whottt even knows when Barry plays point guard in games he doesn't even watch. Props on that talent

Next thing you know you guys will finally realize I never lost that bet to chump about Barry's minutes...since Devin Brown got injured

I don't even remember that bet. You've lost so many bets during your SpursTalk career that it's hard to keep track. Have you ever won a bet on SpursTalk? Seriously. I've had to change your signature and avatar more times than I can count due to you losing bets.

Bottomline is Barry is a good offensive point guard. I've never said he wasn't. He simply can't defend well enough to play point guard full time. That was true when he was with the Clippers and the team needed a point guard. That was true when he was with the Sonics and Payton got traded. And that's true now. I've actually lobbied for Barry to play as the backup point, but I can't really blame Pop for not doing it since no coach has ever played Barry full-time at point guard.

But, of course, it'd big bad Pop being mean to little, helpless Brent Barry.





*cue whottt posting an eight post reply*

[polandprzem]

Okay kids ... go to sleep!

[SouthernFried]

Barry is a good offensive playmaker. Use him like we do Manu, when Parker will give the ball to Manu to make a play.

Bench Finley, and start Barry.

Everyone's happy.

Am I good or what?

[ploto]

Brent Barry at PG- who'd have thunk it?

[MoSpur]

I think Barry playing point guard is good at times. It just depends on the matchup.

[ancestron]

Brent Barry is great at PG. Much better than Jacque Vaughn. My personal Jacque Vaughn approval rating is plummeting fast.
I think it's interesting that Pop usually has Manu run the point during really important situations, though.

[timvp]

Brent Barry at PG- who'd have thunk it?

Coaches of Barry have all thunk it, but no coach has ever given him the full-time keys to play exclusively at point guard. Not even in college or high school.

The lack of dependability on defense has always ended that discussion.

[polandprzem]

As far as I know you always can switch the guy you are guarding

you thunk?

[timvp]

As far as I know you always can switch the guy you are guarding

you thunk?

You can but the offensive point guard still has to be the first line of defense in transition defense. Getting back on transition defense is a weak point for Barry. Other teams would just run back on the Spurs to take advantage of the mismatches and worse transition D.

[polandprzem]

You can but the offensive point guard still has to be the first line of defense in transition defense. Getting back on transition defense is a weak point for Barry. Other teams would just run back on the Spurs to take advantage of the mismatches and worse transition D.

Could not be the second guard?

All in all it all depends how you coach the team and what's your plan on the game. You play different opponents. And the Suns are better transition team then Utah for excample.
Although almost every team like to push the ball up the court these days, there are always roles for players in a team.