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Jacque Vaughn sucks.
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Jacque Vaughn sucks.
I think Barry has done a decent job, decent enough to warrant more PT at the spot
You mean big small ball?
It's an option...I don't know how well it works with other PG's besides Derek Fisher on the court....you need the little guy to defend the little guys if nothing else...Fish doesn't have much of a driving game so having Barry on him isn't that much of mismatch...but if the guy can drive, I still want a PG on the court to defend to the other PG.
I like Barry running the offense...always have, and it's always a good thing for us it seems.
Trade Vaughn, bring barry as first backup PG
I was mostly referring to the offensive side of the ball
Brent ran it very well IMO, we saw playmaking ability circa Seattle Sonics 2003
He always runs it well offensively yeah...I agree. Always. Matter of fact he does a better job of looking for his teamates and getting them good shots than any body else on the team IMO...I mean like making a shot out of nothing for someone.
He can do a lot offensively....
Tonight it was weird because there wasn't even another PG on the court...I don't know how much I like that arrangement if it's not DFish playing point...I'm surprised Pop went with that as long as he did...
I guess you could put Bruce on the point though.
Who knows maybe Pop will file this away for future use...
IF he is going to let Barry do this without even putting another PG on the court...that gives the Spurs the option of playing some big lineups...something else to think about.
berry runs the game pretty well tonight
Great on offense...bad on defense.
Pretty much sums it up.
Like I said in the game blog, THIS is what it looks like when Barry runs the point. Perhaps whottt can now tell the difference.
The difference of what?
I think he did a good job during his first stint tonight as PG, in fact, we were making a solid run. What ed us was offensive rebounds, and it ended the mini run. But tonight, a 6-7 point run was huge. He was less effective in his second point guard run later in the game though.
No...this is what it looks like when Barry runs the point without another PG on the court.
In any case...maybe after tonight you'll finally start to realize Barry's playmaking potential on the offensive end of the court, and catch up to what I have been saying since the day we signed him...
Sorry it took 4 years for you to "get it".
In any case...an apology 4 years late is still an aplogy...so I graciously accept.
I didn't smoke a cig the entire second half of that game and now I am in a foul ing mood...
I bbiab.
I think its extremely arguable that tonight Barry alone created offense out of situations most point guards wouldn't have seen any openings in.
Granted, it was only like 3-4 possessions, but in this game, that was all she wrote.
I thought Barry played well running the point for you guys. He was picking our defense apart, and he was really frustrating to watch.
I think he did very well, and Pop had no choice than to have him there.
Vaughn was shooting the ball instead of runing the point
Washigton not quite ready for prime time I guess - not sure what Pop thinks
Manu on foul trouble
Every time Barry has a good game, whottt says it's because Barry got to run point guard. Every time Barry has a bad game, whottt says it's because Pop didn't let Barry play point guard.
The truth is Barry hadn't played point guard all year ... until tonight. Sure, he brought up the ball a couple times but never ran the show. This is what it looks like when Barry actually gets to play point guard.
I been saying this for years...
I don't get why everyone all of a sudden gets it...
When he creates things happen, when he initiates the offense he gets guys shots...he's the best passer on the team...
And most importantly, he plays better.
I been saying this stuff for years now...
Granted, it was only like 3-4 possessions, but in this game, that was all she wrote.
I think did it more than 3 or 4 posessions tonight...there's no doubt he did it more tonight than any other game of his Spurs career...plus there was no second PG on the court, which has only happened I think in the finals and only briefly then...
But anytime he's the guy creating this sort of thing happens...that's why I have been lobbying for it for years now.
He finds the open guy better than anyone on the team...
Funny how after he's finally acclimated to the Spot up Shooter role everyone figures out what else he can do...it was obvious to me years ago...and it was equally obvious to me that he wasn't that good as a spot up shooter in a half court offense.
I say for the first schtick of tonight's point guard dabbling, he succeeded. By the time he ran the point again it was point-less, bc ginobili and finley were chunking up shots with 21 seconds left on the shot clock.
Link to me saying Barry wasn't a playmaker? Link to me saying Barry wasn't capable running the offense?
I'll be waiting for those links. After you can't find the links, you'll realize that my point all along was he hasn't played point guard, not that he can't play point guard.
barry was first option in his early sonic days and he does have a hall of famer for a father.
I've always been for Barry being the backup point. Multiple times last year in the playoffs I called for him to play point over Vaughn. I just know Pop would never do it because Barry has no chance to guard the opposing point guard. Even Derek Fisher was blowing by him and Fisher is one of the slowest point guards in the league.
Offensively, Barry can run point guard no problem. Defensively, it'd be a trainwreck. That lack of defense was why after Seattle traded Gary Payton and Barry was handing out assists by the dozens, Seattle still went out and got a point guard. IIRC, Barry had 16 assists in his first game as the Sonics' starting point guard. That wasn't enough for Bob Weiss or whoever it was who was coaching the Sonics to make Barry a full-time point guard. If Weiss or Bob Hill or Paul Westhead or whoever the heck it was couldn't live with Barry's defense, Pop surely couldn't.
The funny thing is...the PG situation in the West is freaking brtual...3-4 years ago I thought he could pull off being subs uted with no second PG on the court...
Now? Chris Paul? Deron Williams? All those guys in Memphis? Now Pop decides to do it? Freaking insane...
Not sure we'll see it again if DFish isn't on the floor...although you never know...once Pop starts jacking around with certain lineup formations he gets kind of infatuated with them...maybe this will be one of those.
Does anyone remember the triple towers? When Pop would put Perdue, Drob and Duncan on the court at times? Back in 99?
Anyway...
I originally liked the idea of using him at the point and us running a pretty damn big lineup out there...but that was back when I thought Horry could still pull minutes at SF and before the PG situation in the West got as choppy as it is now...I honestly think PG is the dominant position in the NBA now.
Well see....you can use Parker as the 2 guard...that's what we were going to do if we signed Kidd. you could do it with Beno...if the guys got a halfway decent shot you use Barry as the creator on offense and let them pick up the PG on D. I don't care who's matched up with who...it's about Barry's passing...he gets Duncan easy baskets. Plus if they do try to guard him with PG he can do all sorts of to the guy guarding him...
I think it might work with Darius...he seems to have a decent shot...but it won't work with freaking Vaughn.
In any case...welcome to the Barrywagon...better late than never
Bob Weiss sucks....
The difference is...the Spurs being a defensive team can cover that weakness better than the Sonics could...
And they played the crap out of Barry at PG....even Payton said he could run the point great.
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