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  1. 12-30-2007 #26
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    I'm not giving an * to anybody to try to diminish their accomplishment. I don't like that those guys were the ones to go 16-0, but they did it and deserve all of the props. The spygate stuff was for years past and should be considered as such, but this team legitimately beat everybody that was put in front of them.
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  2. 12-30-2007 #27
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    This is definitely a genius-level IQ thread.
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  3. 12-30-2007 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by inconvertible
    makes it easier to set records and go undeafeted.
    If it was so much easier wouldn't more teams be doing it?
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  4. 12-30-2007 #29
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    *note to self: Buy radio helmet. Life will be perfect. Sweet.
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  5. 12-30-2007 #30
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    19-0 will be an even better feeling.

    WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS NO TIME FOR LOSERS CUZ WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS...OF THE WORLD!!!
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  6. 12-30-2007 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Midge
    If it was so much easier wouldn't more teams be doing it?
    That is why the Patsies have to be given props to some level.
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  7. 12-30-2007 #32
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    What is it about our society that we must tear down the accomplishments of others, even in something as trivial as sport?
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  8. 12-30-2007 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by inconvertible
    I am sure that by having radio helmets that Brady got a call tonight about madison looking hurt......and then he went to the hurry up and went BACK to moss immeditately for the score.
    Was Madison hurt?
    inconvertible?
    New York media?
    Beuhler?
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  9. 12-31-2007 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt's Cat
    What is it about our society that we must tear down the accomplishments of others, even in something as trivial as sport?
    thats a great point...something thats always irritated me. although, we disagree about sports, i think they are extremely important. btw, is saying sports are trivial tearing down the accomplishments of others?
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  10. 12-31-2007 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condemned 2 A
    See: '06-'07 Dallas Mavericks and *groan* '05 USC Trojans.
    How'd things work out for those teams?
    Yeah, I know the Mavs weren't undeafeated, but everyone pretty much figured they were a lock to bulldoze through the playoffs to the Finals.
    i don't think its comparable. that being said, the Pats going 16-0, as i've already said, is incredible on its own regardless of whether they win the superbowl or not.
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  11. 12-31-2007 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by slayermin
    It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring.
    i disagree for reasons already stated.
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  12. 12-31-2007 #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    i don't think its comparable. that being said, the Pats going 16-0, as i've already said, is incredible on its own regardless of whether they win the superbowl or not.

    I would agree with that. It is a unique and special accomplishment. That being said, I don't think they should be included in the "best ever team" conversation unless they win the Super Bowl, which I think they will.
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  13. 12-31-2007 #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
    It's the Patriots fault that they built a team with the best QB and best WR and their accomplishments should really be diminished because of that. That's reasonable.

    By the way:

    -winning percentage of '72 Dolphins opponents = .357 (70-122-4)
    winning percentage of '07 Patriots opponents = .465 (112-129)

    -playoff qualifiers beaten by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
    playoff qualifiers beaten by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 7)

    -9 win teams defeated by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
    10 win teams defeated by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 6)
    Why even compare the two teams? Different generation, different league.

    It really isn't any comparison. Besides, New England still needs to win 3 more games to even be considered the best ever
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  14. 12-31-2007 #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    i don't think its comparable. that being said, the Pats going 16-0, as i've already said, is incredible on its own regardless of whether they win the superbowl or not.
    If they lose the Super Bowl, then they would cement their place as the 43rd-best team of the Super Bowl era.

    If they don't reach the Super Bowl, they would cement their place as the 85th-best team of the Super Bowl era.
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  15. 12-31-2007 #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extra Stout
    If they lose the Super Bowl, then they would cement their place as the 43rd-best team of the Super Bowl era.

    If they don't reach the Super Bowl, they would cement their place as the 85th-best team of the Super Bowl era.
    ...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.
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  16. 12-31-2007 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    ...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.
    70s Steelers, Joe Montana 49ers grasshopper.
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  17. 01-02-2008 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    ...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.

    For me, its the 85 Bears. If the Pats go 19-0, I will have to re-think that.
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  18. 01-02-2008 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    lol. what irks me is all this talk about 16-0 not meaning anything if they don't win the superbowl. what? it means a lot no matter what happens in the playoffs, though it would mean more if they did finish it out....i think they will.

    incredible, incredible team.
    lol, 2005 USC Trojans
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  19. 01-02-2008 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    ...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.
    lets not forget, you've only been watching football for like 5-10 years. your opinion is absolutely worthless in this case.
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  20. 01-02-2008 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngateswhiteley
    i disagree for reasons already stated.
    those reasons are wrong.
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  21. 01-02-2008 #46
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    So Joe Montana's four rings and Tom Brady's three asterisks walk into a bar. . .
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  22. 01-02-2008 #47
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    ....and they see Peyton Manning sheepishly holding the one championship ring that Rex Grossman fumbled right into his hands...
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  23. 01-02-2008 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by monosylab1k
    ....and they see Peyton Manning sheepishly holding the one championship ring that Rex Grossman fumbled right into his hands...
    Mono, do I even need to tell you how much 4>0 smack you would have layed on me this entire season had the Colts not double- smacked the Pats in the face last January? Yet since the Colts won it, it's okay to say beating Grossman's team isn't impressive.
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  24. 01-03-2008 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by monosylab1k
    ....and they see Peyton Manning sheepishly holding the one championship ring that Rex Grossman fumbled right into his hands...
    ...and Tom Brady with the rings that Mike Martz handed to him, John Kasay kicked out of bounds to him, and Donovan McNabb threw to him. All while being handed video tapes and recordings of opposing teams play-calls and signals.
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  25. 01-03-2008 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch
    ...and Tom Brady with the rings that Mike Martz handed to him, John Kasay kicked out of bounds to him, and Donovan McNabb threw to him. All while being handed video tapes and recordings of opposing teams play-calls and signals.
    And then Rich Gannon sidearms a ring over to Keyshawn.
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