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Plus Manu's a bench player so that may affect him and how coaches vote
That's what I have been saying (this year and last) why Parker has an advantage in the coach vote. Before every game when they interview the opponent's coach, they almost always say that they key to victory is stopping/slowing down Tony Parker's penetration.
Agree with it or not, that's what most coaches say/believe.
Anyway, I don't think either one of them will be chosen. The guards in the West are excellent. They have both been banged up all year, so let them have some days off from basketball and heal up. Besides.. since we aren't going to the A-S game this year and we are going to Vegas instead, I don't care if the Spurs go either
Plus Manu's a bench player so that may affect him and how coaches vote
If McGrady has any self respect, he'd bow out and open up a spot. He's missed too many games and he doesn't deserve to play in the game. I'd honestly rather see Roy out there than T-Mac.
My twelve in the West would be Yao, Amare, Duncan, Nowitzki, Boozer, Anthony, Bryant, Nash, Paul, Iverson, Davis, and Ginobili.
Doesn't matter who you or anyone else "votes" for. It's obvious the "fan voting" will not put either one of them in.
However, I think Manu probably gets the coaches votes. Although it's a bit telling that every coach says their primary goal in playing the Spurs is to "Stop Tony Parker from driving the lane". Not stop Duncan, not stop Manu, but stop Parker. At least from a coaching standpoint, Tony is the engine that drives the Spurs.
But with that being said, I hope they both get the week off to R & R. If either is selected, I hope they see less than 5 minutes on the court.
What we don't need right now is any of the Big 3 getting injured in a meaningless AS game.
Pop told that to Manu...
...and Manu just say: "i don't care"
Neither will make it, though I think people are appreciately Ginobili a lot more this season and would give him the edge.
There are simply too many good guards in the West.
Never??
He already has made it.
NBA All-Star - 2006, 2007
Try again.
He may have, it is just the way Pluto posted it I guess.
If that is the case, then this year he may be right, although you never know. I would not be that disappointed if no one made the all-star team really, with all the little nagging injuries, bumps, and bruises so far this year it would be a good time to rest and try to get rid of those nagging injuries and such for the stretch run and try to repeat....which at this point is more important than the all-star game. The All-Star game is kind of a joke anyways.
ploto i think is a woman cheryl
if not
the rasho love just got abit stranger.
My Duncan love doesn't keep people from calling me a "he."
cute
Duncan is the only Spur that is All-Star worthy this season. The WC is just too crowded, and TP and Manu have not been the best at their respective positions due to injuries.
Didn't read all the comments, but here's mine ...
I don't think they played their way off the AS team because I don't think either had secured a spot at any point this season. Not because they weren't good enough or didn't play very well to start the season, but because of the deep compe ion at guard in the WC. Duncan appears to be a starter. If it's only one other Spur that makes it, I think it actually would be Parker, and not because he's been better than Manu but because I think it's probably pretty rare the Finals MVP doesn't make the all star team the following year ... although it did happen to Billups in the 2004-05 ASG.
Have the people who don't think Brandon Roy should be an All-Star watched him play this season?
I have no doubt that Parker is more of a focus for opposing coaches and that, in some sense, Parker is a more talented player than Ginobili. And this is not my effort to jump into the Manu v. Tony argument -- I think the Spurs success clearly depends on both.Good points.
However, Tony Parker is the player who opposing coaches gameplan to stop first when going against the Spurs. If you are a coach and you play the Spurs, the first thing you have to do is figure out how to slow down Parker. Even though it sounds ridiculous to say, Parker is a higher priority than even Duncan for most teams.
So while Parker is sometimes underrated by the media and fans at times (even Spurs fans), every coach in the league is well aware of what Parker can do. That's why if you read comments, Parker can at times be a bit overrated going by what coaches say.
For example, Sam Mitc gave Parker some pretty decent praise recently:
And Sam Mitc is far from alone in his thoughts. Coaches have nightmares about Tony Parker. I don't think Parker is a top two point guard in the NBA, but I do think that there's a chance he might be a top two point guard that opposing coaches have to scheme against. Which naturally would make them vote for Parker even if Parker is arguably the third best player on the team.
With Duncan and Ginobili, you figure out which defenders to put on him and whether or not you want to send a double-team. With Parker, you have to alter your defense or else he'll just have a layup drill all night.
In conclusion, I think that while Ginobili deserves it more, coaches around the league spend so much time gamplanning for Parker that they might lean his way even though Ginobili is likely having the better year.
Still, with All-Star voting, I think there's some pressure on coaches to vote against "intangibles" and base votes on performance. Parker has certainly performed well at times this season, but Manu has been an absolute monster at a number of points this season. The fact that Manu had some huge games against West teams is really the tiebreaker in my mind.
I suppose my point was just to say that I could see how Manu's performances this season might build up a lot more support than Parker's, despite the fact that Tony is, in some ways, the Spurs player who draws more attention from an x's and o's standpoint.
Frankly, I don't expect either of them to make the All-Star team this year (absent a need to replace a West guard) for precisely the reason you suggested in your original post.
It would be no great crime if neither made the All Star Team, but I agree they were looking like pretty safe bets a month ago. I've always liked the idea of spreading it out so you include as many teams as possible anyway. I think guys like Baron Davis should be on the team. That's better for the game, IMO, than having three players from one team, even if that team is the defending Champs.
There is no way Manu is going to the ASG. Tony, on the other hand could make it, being reigning finals MVP and all.
Also, I think Tony has the advantage in that he was the MVP of the Finals last year...Coaches might think it would be strange not to have the MVP of the last championship in the All Stars...I agree that Tony might get a higher chance of being chosen than Manu, although I also personally feel that Manu is having the better year all around, and all of his points are coming from the bench, that's what makes it even more admirable...
Last edited by greenleo; 01-16-2008 at 09:54 PM.
You right, I forgot that. I do remember seeing that somewhere before.
I am sorry if I offended you, because of that ploto.
I think both of them will make the all star team These guys are international players remenber? All star voting is made to depend largely on fan voting. Parker (a french) will likely to get the french vote plus those in the US. Why?
first, he's the only french superstar in the NBA. So the french will definitely want him there.
Second , he is the finals MVP last year , I think that's enought to make people in the US think twice about not voting him.
Third, his numbers isn't that bad. Partially lower than the other years but not slump down. Not to mention, he makes the game faster and more exciting!
Fourth, his team is still in the winning bracket despite their problems with injuries.
Same thing apply to ginobili...Only argentinian superstar, number ins't that bad, still on a winning team... but the most important is...
He plays wicked! Have ever seen a white guy made so many highlight reels?? come on.... Why doubt?
First, France and Argentina are no China.
Second, go on nba.com and look at the latest results, none of them will be selected by the fans.
It's all about the coachs now... IMO TP has 25% chances to get selected and Manu only 10 % (see Timvp post)
Parker has been pretty average for the last month or so. There's no way he's making the All-Star team this season. I think Manu has a much better shot.
I merge this thread cause Kenny Smith exposed his All Star candidates for this year and Manu and Tony are in for him.
I may be wrong, but in every article about the ASG Manu has been mentioned as a backup SG.
I think at this point that they probably have, and that's fine with me. Take a rest.
I'd be more than happy to see: Kobe, Paul, Nash, Baron, Roy, Williams at the AS game.
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