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Parker will never make it- too many good PG's who are making names for themselves right now- plus Nash.
A month ago, I thought both Ginobili and Parker had very good chances of make the All-Star team. Now I'm not sure either one will make it.
Personally, I think the Spurs' recent championship success should allow both of them to make it. If I had to pick one, I'd say Ginobili because he's played very well this year and has only one All-Star game on his resume, compared to Parker's two.
However, now if you look at stats for Ginobili and Parker, a voting coach could easily be underwhelmed with what they see. While Ginobili and Parker are both averaging career-highs in points and assists per game, the rest of their numbers aren't too spectacular.
Ginobili's field goal percentage field goal percentage is the lowest it's been in four seasons. His turnovers are higher than ever and his rebounding rate is a bit down from last season. While his points are up, so are his minutes and shot attempts.
Parker is much in the same boat. Like Ginobili, his points and assists are up. However, his field goal percentage is the lowest it's been in three years. His three-point percentage and his free throw percentage are also both down.
The problem for both players is they have struggled for the past month. Their shooting numbers are way down from the marks they posted earlier in the season. Both players can point to injuries as main reasons why they've struggled, but I don't know if that's enough garner a vote.
The West is packed full of guards who are having great seasons. With Kobe and TMac likely starting, Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Deron Williams, Baron Davis and Brandon Roy are all having great seasons. With Ginobili and Parker cooling off of late, in addition to the Spurs also struggling as of late, it's no longer likely that they will both make it. In fact, it's not guaranteed that even one of the two will make it.
Have Ginobili and Parker played their way off the All-Star team? Or will coaches see past the stats and reward one of the two (or both) with All-Star berths?
Parker will never make it- too many good PG's who are making names for themselves right now- plus Nash.
I hope none of them make it. Including Duncan.
one or both of them will get in as a show of respect.
I wondered the same thing last night. I don't think it's likely at this point that both Parker and Ginobili make the All-Star team. But I started to talk myself into believing that Manu has enough credibility with West coaches to make the squad.
If you start thinking about who might vote in which ways, I would think that Avery Johnson, George Karl, Jerry Sloan, Randy Whitman, and Mark Iavaroni would be likely to vote for Manu for a variety of reasons, mostly what he's done against their teams this year and in the past. I think Sloan and Karl both intensely respect Ginobili and I would think the way Manu played in carrying the Spurs past the Mavs without Duncan might sway AJ. Manu has been pretty good this season against both Minnesota and Memphis, too.
I'd think P.J. Carlesimo might be another who would be inclined to vote for Manu.
That would be 6 votes, which might be enough, given that the other guards are going to fracture the ballots.
I don't really care if they make it or not. I'd rather they stay home and get some rest and heal up during the AS weekend. Besides I don't know if they really care about it.
At the beginning of the season Manu was looking like an all-star starter, but as of late now i'm not so sure he even makes the team
Like everyone else has already stated, the West is just too compe ive
Both don't deserve to be all star this year. It's not because they aren't playing well, it's because there are too much good guards in the west.
IMO, Nash will be the backup PG, Iverson the backup SG and Paul will get an utility spot.
And if there are injuries Brandon Roy and Baron Davis deserve to be picked before Ginobili or Parker.
When the Spurs were dominating the West standings I would have said they'd both be in.
Now I'm leaning towards neither.
Sounds like a good V-bookie to me.
I stopped voting for both of them a few weeks ago. I've been voting for Chris Paul, Allen Iverson and Baron Davis when it comes to Western guards.
we'll know after the lineup has been announced and there's a change in the way the 2 play. i wouldn't put it past manu to do something like that.
kobe
cp3
nash
ai
baron davis
deron williams
brandon roy
all more likely than parker or ginobili to make the AS team
ok, maybe not deron
After reading this three times trying to find the punchline, I agree.
It's really hard to say if both will make the All Stars, I'd say at least out of respect of the recent championship, one of them should make it. If I had to choose one, I think it should be Manu because Tony has 2 appearances and Manu has 1, just to even it out a bit...And also, due to the fact that Manu plays less minutes, plays for the bench, the unselfishness of that...etc...and his ability to come through in situations...the back to back 37 pts games vs Dallas/Utah(without TD), the fact that he started out so well....before the finger injury...
If it were up to me, I'd put Tim/Tony/Manu all in the All Stars, that's the Big Three that won championships, and I think it would be super fun for all of them to be in it together for the first time...I know it doesn't mean much, etc...but I just think it would be extra special for the three of them...VERY unlikely though...
However, as of right now, if two make it, I'd prefer Tim/Manu...nothing against Tony at all, he's one of my favorites...He's an amazing player...it's only because I think it's a shame that Manu only has one appearance...
However, the coaches might not vote for Manu, seeing as that finger splint thingy is still on his hand...they might not think he should play in the game due to his finger? Do they take stuff like that into consideration when they vote? I have no idea...I don't know too much about voting and stuff like that...
In a different year they might be in. But now there other talents (Roy and CP3) that are in the mix, and the usual suspects (Kobe and Nash) ----- No Allstar for Ginobili and Parker in 2008. They might do better with the rest anyway.
I don't believe either will get in.I vote for them everyday.
To me the locks are: amare, nash, ai, paul, dirk, roy. (next in line will be deron, boozer, baron, then tony and manu. Tony may get in if pop is forced to coach and because of his finals mvp and leading the team in points. In November, it looked as if all three were getting in. Now, I wish they all could use the time to rest and refocus including Timmay. But, I'm sorry Mr. Duncan you are a LOCK and you have to go play.
Parker has very long shot..Its upto Manu to keep the place..He is still in but if he plays like his previous few games, he will not be selected.
I do not think their previous all star (Parker 2 vs Manu 1) records matter for coaches.
I think Manu needs one more big game before the coaches pick, to still have a chance. I'm pretty sure his shooting percentage will start rounding out back to 45-46 later, as his hands continues to heal. He had that bad stretch of games during that first week he injured his hand, and December onward.
It sucks that we got the injury bug and started playing like ass lately where our record no longer provides Manu and Tony with some leverage, but oh well, just something extra on the side..
It would be nice to have Manu come back with Tim, since I'm sure Tony can get more AS appearances easier. And yeah, I agree with those about not ruling Manu out yet for this season.
At least one writer at SI.COM puts Manu, and almost Parker too.
This is the excerpt of the article
I agree...Tony is indeed still very young, and I'm sure he'll have many more opportunities...Manu is 30 already, and I think he should get a spot this year...
Then again, it might be that Tim is the only one who'll make it...
Anyway, the bright side is that if both Manu/Tony won't make it, then they'll get the extra rest...
brandon roy does not deserve to be an all star. that is all. neither does deron. and baron is on the bubble with tp and manu.
V-BOOKIE
Good points.
However, Tony Parker is the player who opposing coaches gameplan to stop first when going against the Spurs. If you are a coach and you play the Spurs, the first thing you have to do is figure out how to slow down Parker. Even though it sounds ridiculous to say, Parker is a higher priority than even Duncan for most teams.
So while Parker is sometimes underrated by the media and fans at times (even Spurs fans), every coach in the league is well aware of what Parker can do. That's why if you read comments, Parker can at times be a bit overrated going by what coaches say.
For example, Sam Mitc gave Parker some pretty decent praise recently:
And Sam Mitc is far from alone in his thoughts. Coaches have nightmares about Tony Parker. I don't think Parker is a top two point guard in the NBA, but I do think that there's a chance he might be a top two point guard that opposing coaches have to scheme against. Which naturally would make them vote for Parker even if Parker is arguably the third best player on the team.
With Duncan and Ginobili, you figure out which defenders to put on him and whether or not you want to send a double-team. With Parker, you have to alter your defense or else he'll just have a layup drill all night.
In conclusion, I think that while Ginobili deserves it more, coaches around the league spend so much time gamplanning for Parker that they might lean his way even though Ginobili is likely having the better year.
Last edited by timvp; 01-16-2008 at 05:28 AM.
The problem is that McGrady looks like he'll get a starting guard spot due to the fan vote. You add McGrady to his equation and it looks like Ginobili could be bumped out.
Ginobili and/or Parker's best chance is if McGrady loses his starting spot to either Allen Iverson or Steve Nash. That'd open up another spot and increase their chances substantially.
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