Oh good god, not Wilkins...with Damien Wilkins owed over the next couple years and apparently not in the future plans, would be a viable trade partner....
Who are the Spurs going to get for Elson? Mark Madsen? Elson is the kind of guy you throw in to a trade to make salaries match. I suppose the Spurs could do that if they want to eat someone else's bad contract for a few years. Otherwise, the Spurs are stuck with Elson.
I knew you'd chime in....read the last post on the first page and stop being such a .
I don't accept the fact that trading for the sake of making a trade is a good option.
saying not wilkins is being a ?I knew you'd chime in....read the last post on the first page and stop being such a
Uh ok
Anything?Dude, accept the fact that ANYTHING is better than Elson.
So Sean Marks would be better?
A gatorade and two towels … That will help the team.
Let me work it out for you (and T Park) then.....
Let's assume that the Spurs trade Elson for wing player. That wing player is added to a list of potential rotation candidates that have yet to really solidify their position on the depth chart. The player competes with Barry, Finley, and Udoka for minutes in the rotation and one in the group even might steal some minutes from the PF rotation (Horry, Bonner) in small-ball sets.
If that wing player succeeds in taking minutes away from the other rotation guys it means that he's earned it and you're putting the best group of players that give you best chance to succeed.
If that wing player gets beat out the Spurs lose NOTHING! Elson gives zero defense and is a pathetic rebounder. In fact, his only redeeming qualities are that he runs fast and can occasionally hit a 15ft shot....something a wing player could EASILY duplicate.
Again, I don't see what there is to lose no matter what position the swapped player occupies on the court.
Last edited by AFBlue; 01-29-2008 at 12:47 AM.
Elson is who I thought he was.
It was the first two times you said it.Was that simple enough for you?
Even the third time above when you said it like a . (see I can throw around cool insults too)
Once again, what team will take him on?
IMO, none.
You can disagree with that and thats fine.
Im just bringing a bit of reality.
I start by suggesting the Spurs trade Elson...saying not wilkins is being a ?
Uh ok
You retort by saying "but trading is hard"...
I come back with a non-specific example at first because I know naysayers like you are going to attack the specific example I give....
Then, against my better judgement, I throw out a specific scenario...
And just like I thought, you and this other dude with a hard-on for proving me wrong, harp on the specific example....you by saying "oh god not wilkins".
All the while I'm just trying to make a GENERAL point that Elson sucks, should be traded, and there are actually opportunities where the Spurs might benefit if he is traded.
That's all.
Thought about removing that end sentence the moment I posted it....just got pissed.
only if the players are on similar deals. if said player makes more than elson, it probably pushes the spurs into the luxury tax, costing them ~3 mil (on top of the salary owed to said player). and thats only for this year. a player with a deal similar to, say wilkens, ends up on the books for 2 more years after this one. so if thats the case, the spurs end up paying 10+ mil for that nothing you speak of.
so there is risk involved here. its a monetary one rather than a production one, but just because its not our money doesnt mean we should overlook that.
Seriously though, if anybody wants Elson and his contract, they can have him. Signing Elson was dumb to begin with. Now it's actually hurting the Spurs.
While watching the game tonight I remembered how I said during that offseason if the Spurs are going to be cheap and go with Elson, the Spurs might as well be cheap and sign Jarron Collins. Collins pretty much sucks but he is way better than Elson.
Elson is who I thought he was.
I'm all for trading Elson. He's useless. It's just that the Spurs can't ONLY trade Elson. If they want anything decent, they'll have to give up someone decent, and probably take on a veteran with an expensive contract.
I never should've gone into hypotheticals because my Elson bashing was based in principle....he blows and damn near any other NBA player for the same salary would be better on the Spurs. Not saying it will happen, just that it should.
Difference of opinion....
it's damn near 1AM on the east coast and I have to be up in 4 hours for physical training....I'm out.
Elson doesn't have to be traded, just sat down. I'd rather watch Mahinmi bite on fakes and commit fouls than watch Elson do his thing.
Funny thing- I told someone today that I would even take a hobbled Webber at this point.
and im not disagreeing with you. put me in the "id trade elson for a hot ham & cheese sandwich" camp. just as long as we arent paying that sandwich a penny more than we are paying elson...
we need consistency
and Elson is NOT giving us that much. 2 yrs on this team, he shld be half as good as Oberto or Rasho in their 2nd yr.
with the team.
Oberto this time of yr made a franchise record for shooting 100% in a game(11-11, if I'm not mistaken) last yr.
and Rasho though some hated him, did gave us a solid performance w/ TD injured when they played against the Lakers (w/ ShaQ & Kobe, new teammates Payton/Malone), in his 2nd yr. The Lakers won in 2OTs but lost to their next opponent due to exhaustion. (lol)
What has Elson accomplished so far? Or shld be risked this team giving him 30 minutes or so just to show us if he got talent at all?
if he doesn't show us something in the rodeo road games he's got to go. Or the Spurs must just a short-term player who can score and trade Elson in the off-season. Tiago Splitter will be here next yr. I'm optomistic for an upgrade if he'll be here already.
Last edited by milkyway21; 01-29-2008 at 01:25 AM.
a philli fan proposed this trade on realgm
dalambert + carney
for
barry + bonner + ian + first round pick
what you guys think?
that said realgm poster has suffered some sever head trauma recently, or really doesnt like philly...
Philadelphia wouldn't EVER do that trade.philli fan proposed this trade on realgm
dalambert + carney
for
barry + bonner + ian + first round pick
what you guys think?
All this Elson hate is misplaced, when the entire frontline (except for Duncan) simply sucks at this point.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 01-29-2008 at 09:17 AM.
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