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freakin trade a lot of people at this point!
a half eaten three-week old sandwich found between the couch pillows.
Dude is TERRIBLE.
I'd be inclined to throw in Finley, Bowen, Horry and Oberto with the way they've been playing but each of them has actually contributed to the Spurs significantly in the past. I trust them to turn it on when it matters.
Last edited by AFBlue; 01-28-2008 at 11:49 PM.
freakin trade a lot of people at this point!
He played better than Horry and Oberto tonight. I'll never understand the Elson hate on this board.
Actually Elson was halfway decent tonight.
That foul he got doubling Boozer was absolutely atrocious.
Did he play better than Horry in the 2005 finals or better than Oberto in 2007?
Sure, Oberto and especially Horry are struggling....but they've earned the right for us to have some patience and let them work it out like the smart, capable veterans they are.
Elson has earned nothing....
Elson was better than Oberto today. But that isn't saying much. In general Elson sucks. Hopefully Oberto and Horry step up because I don't think you should expect much from Elson on a regular basis.
No, I don't understand the Elson hate either. He was solid last year when we won our 4th, and, need I remind you, he is the speaker of one of the all-time great quotes -- the one where he called KG gay in front of the media. I'm sure KG's response involved justifiable homicide.
I'm more upset about letting Ely and Scola get away.
You're right lets just sit back and wait for 35 year old guys to fight father time so they can attempt to recapture old glory.... sounds a lot like what we did with NVE.
Elson played an OK game tonight and it was a step in the right direction. But lets just on the guy because he didnt make a few lay ups and tip a few balls out in a sweep vs the Cavs.
He wasn't solid last year. He was bad. He averaged 5 and 4 or something like that and played horrible, horrible D. Our players spend half their energy yelling at him or waving at him to move out of the way when he's on the court. He's 75% of the time either in the wrong place on offense or missing a rotation on D.
Horry hasn't let the Spurs down in the past, and besides....you're advocating that ELSON take his minutes?
I don't care if Horry is shooting below 20%, he still makes the defensive hustle plays and does all the intangible things that Elson has never done and will never do.
To be honest, I'd prefer Bonner over Horry....if he were athletic and could play defense. But that ain't happening either, so you deal with what you got....or better yet, you DEAL what you got.
Get rid of Elson and get some fresh blood in here.
Has the standard really fallen that low that Elson's play tonight was considered good?
17 minutes of play-- 3 fouls and 1 rebound...
Get rid of Elson for who?
Making trades just isn't that easy.
Honestly I thought Horry looked pretty damn good tonight.
His defense and other intangibles were in full force.
I think Horry's shot will be dropping soon and is gonna start showing his turnaround in the stat sheet so that Spurs fans can finally recognize it.
Do you realize how many players are available around the $3M salary range?
I'd give you a list, but there's already one of most likely available players in the "time to trade" thread I think.
And it would be hard NOT to get more value when trading away Elson...as you can tell by my first post.
damn.. the spurs just missed out on webber...
Elson's pretty much a liability on bad nights, and a borderline liability on GOOD nights.
He'll always negate whatever his athleticism provides with his mental lapses. The only things he is good for are, that midrange jumper and dunks.
I don't think he's improved at all as a help defender or at setting up screens this year.
I don't know what we could get for him, if we're might have to end up sacrificing "a big" for just any player of value. I don't know if we want to change up our center position needs right now when we've got two other bigs coming in to prepare next year.
.....maybe we'll see Manhinmi get some minutes finally with Elson's poor development??
Whats sad is the that the standard has fallen that low.I actually got a bit excited when I see Utah players think twice about going up at Elson, that doesn't happen with Oberto in the game. I'm used to seeing Oberto pat guys on the back as they go up to score on him.
All 3 of the posts have been terrible this year but seems like Elson has had the least opportunity. But i guess its a sin here to say anything even even remotely positive about Elson
You can say all you want, "Elson sucks, lets trade him." The problem is, Elson is bad. Who wants to trade for bad players?
if was the spurs
trade for omeka okafor, give charlotte our expirings
then charlotte can go after guys like deng or gordon...i dunno whats there team salary is like atm, but im sure they are under the cap
I beg to differ about the comment above...
Fabricio Oberto was playing EXCELLENT team ball with the Spurs just a couple months ago before the injuries to the big 3 took place. He had great chemistry with them, was finding holes in the defense, and was efficient on offense.
I think Oberto is too slow and is a foul-magnet for some reason with the refs, but his defense is not necessarily bad.
I just disagree with your assessment. Oberto has been slumping lately and hasn't been able to find his rythm, but who has?
Give Oberto a break....he was CARRYING this frontline alongside Duncan for the first 3 months of the season.
Doubtful anyone wants to trade for Elson because of his skill....but lots of teams could use the $3M of cap space he'll bring this off-season when he comes off the books.
A team like Seattle, with Damien Wilkins owed over the next couple years and apparently not in the future plans, would be a viable trade partner....
Kori, I would like to say that TIMVP is one lucky man!
What does getting another wing do for us? What good comes from another wing sitting on the bench next to Udoka furious asking god why jacque vaughn, horry, and finley are all out there at the same time?
Elson wasn't very good tonight.
He had one easy dunk (that was all Manu, he deserves the credit for it) and he hit one jumper.
Other than that he got scored on, turned the ball over, and took a quick shot or two.
His +/- number tonight is fool's gold.
He is what he is, a 3rd string center who if you give minutes to will get 5 & 5.
I think we all know a guy in New York who is probably thinking of how he can add Elson to his lineup for the low price of only 6 years, $55 mil.
This is the reason I didn't bring up specific trades in the first place... ing naysayers.
Dude, accept the fact that ANYTHING is better than Elson.
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