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GTFO of here with your "realistic" proposals then.
Matter fact just close this thread now.
Given the Spurs past there not making a trade before the deadline.
You never know, i read that JO was spotted in NJ for a house, so maybe a trade is on teh block soon, so if the pacers are rebuilding, might as well clear the roster and get watever they can in return
Matter fact just close this thread now.
Given the Spurs past there not making a trade before the deadline.
correct.
Some overrating of the Spurs' chips in these scenarios. Brendan Haywood? He's having close to an all-star caliber season (for the east that is).
Barry + Elson plus future first(s) (in the 20s no doubt) aren't worth much. People should be thinking more in the realm of Melvin Ely last year when Eric Williams' expiring contract plus a second rounder got us an out of the rotation never developed end of contract Ely.
Maybe if the rights to Splitter are thrown in that might make a tiny difference, but considering that draftpicks were for sale where Splitter was available and no one bit to take him who can say if that will even get the Spurs anywhere.
Maybe Stromile Swift could be had for Barry + Splitter. And who honestly wants that?
Your making Shawne Williams out like I said Danny Granger lol. Shawne Williams has some value, but so does a first round pick and 8 million off the books. Especially with the emergence of Mike Dunleavy and Granger at his position Shawne Williams could be expendable.
In my opinion picks and 8 million off the books to me is valuable enough for the players I mentioned.
I have my opinions you have yours. I was just throwing ideas out there.
i just thought that since the rockets would probably hold onto battier, the bulls would keep nocioni, we might as well get hermann. so he's no good? no problem.
so, are there any players (who are available) who can play SF-SG-PG out there?
btw, i don't see Andre Miller playing much, as i have only enough free time to watch Spurs games. can he shoot three's reliably? i know that he has a good post game, and he's bigger than the average guard...right?
Ha ha no problem.
Actually I understand where timvp is coming from with the Andre Miller trade. If the Spurs are going to sign Stoudmire, Miller would be a better option then him at point.
I just don't think its worth bringing in another wing, unless he can break the playoff 8 man rotation and can make a big impact come April May and June. To do that we would have to package Finley, Barry, Elson and picks. With trading just Barry and or Elson we won't get a wing or a point guard that will really really contribute come April May and June. Realisticaly. That's another reason why a move for a big man that can contribute makes more sense to me. The play of the 4 bigs outside of Duncan has been horrendous.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 01-30-2008 at 04:11 AM.
i doubt pop would trade fin.
maybe finley has some photos of pop drinking beer or tequila.
elson, on the other hand, would be good trade material.
poor brent. he's been on the trading block since we went after maggette.
[QUOTE=MagnusKrauss]i doubt pop would trade fin.QUOTE]
Thats my point. I highly doubt Pop trades Fin. At the same time, I highly doubt we would be able to get a wing for Barry and Elson that would be good enough to break the 8-9 man playoff rotation and make an actual impact, unless we were to include Finley and more picks, which I realistically don't see happening. A defensive big man makes more sense to me.
again, I can see that all of this players are available for the right price, but the price you mention will easily outbid by many other teams.
Battier doesn't play his best season, but calling him a disappointment is a bit harsh. did he see his minutes reduced? no. he still is a very important part of the team. they once sacrificed Gay for him. now they want to dump him for cap relieve and a (likely low) pick?
Kapono? yes, the Raptors overpayed for him. but are they willing to weaken the team by dumping him for (an injured) Barry? can't see Colangelo do this. not him.
btw. Kapono didn't lose minutes to Delfino and Moon. the reason was the red hot shooting of Calderon and Parker, they got more minutes and those minutes came from Kapono.
Elson plus Barry for Haslem and Parker makes the most sense and might be realistic.
my guess is, the Spurs will have to sweeten the deal with at least a pick. just because if the Heat put this package on the market, they will get better offers than just the expiring contracts. think Lakers. they could offer Brown's contract plus a talent like Farmer or Crittenton who fill Heats future needs. and Lakers will make a run for Haslem.
Andre Miller is one of if not the best lob passer in the NBA.
Which wouldn't mean much on a team like the Spurs with alley-oop possibilities like Duncan, Oberto, Bonner and Horry.
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I think Toronto could make a deal for expirings so they could clear lux-tax room to re-sign Calderon, who might be getting sizable offers this summer. Then again, as an RFA, he might get stuck in limbo with regards to offers like players this past summer, resulting in Toronto keeping him for relatively cheap.
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I don't see Haslem as a realistic possibility. He's not tremendously overpaid, he's still young, he's still producing and statistically having his best season for points and rebounds, nearly a double double.
The only thing Miami has to do to create cap space is buy out Shaq.
how about a trade to charlotte for okafor who is under utilise?
i throw in splitters right if had to...and get rid of the 09/10 FA plan
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a buy out still counts against the cap, or do you really see Shaq take a buy out much less than his salary?
(jesus, can't wait for all the new threads claiming that Shaq then will sign with the Spurs for the vet. minimum, because he's desperate for a ring)
he's been on the block since the 2005/06 season, when only a paper work mistake prevented him from being traded.
Well, if you look at it there are not a lot of players the Spurs would want to trade.
TD/Manu/TP ... no way
Horry/Finley/Bruce/Oberto... very unlikely, unless you get a really good player in return
Udoka/Vaughn have really small contracts and will stay
That leaves Barry, Elson, Mahinmi and Bonner. If they do trade it should be a big for a big or a wing for a wing. It would not make sense to trade big for small or vice versa at the moment.
Out of those players Barry probably has the most value. He is a solid role player with an expireing contract. Neither Elson nor Bonner would bring good value back in a trade.
The biggest problem I see is that there are not too many players available that would really help the Spurs right now without giving too much. The most likely scenario is that they sign Stoudamire and hope that TP is not that hurt. If they are healthy their chance off winning it all is still good.
If the Rockets could do it over again, they would have never trade Gay for Battier. That was a horrible trade.
And Battier was brought on board because he fit the Jeff Van Gundy's schemes. And yeah, he has been a disappointment. He has scored less points per minutes than Jacque Vaughn. On a team that has been without McGrady for much of the first half of the season, that's shockingly pathetic.
Now that I think about it more, I think that trade is unfair to the Spurs. San Antonio already has enough perimeter players that can't score. Scratch that trade idea.
What the are you talking about? Calderon is the team's point guard. Calderon is playing more because TJ Ford is out. That has nothing to do with Kapono.
Kapono was supposed to start for the Raptors at small forward. Moon beat him out for that job. Now even Delfino is eating away minutes at the small forward position.
And Anthony Parker is a shooting guard. He too has very little to do with the Kapono situation. I wouldn't especially like the Spurs trading for Kapono but if they are going to go after Korver, Kapono is basically the same player with the same contract. And Sam Mitc doesn't seem to like Kapono all that much.
I think that Haslem deal is highly unlikely. It would have to take the perfect storm of the Heat wanting to open up cap room with no other teams willing to eat Miami's contracts.
Battier cannot be judged by points, that is not his role. As a fantasy player ,he is great: consistently getting blocks, rebounds, assists and steals. Yes folks there is more to judging talent than points per game. Now should they have traded Gay for him - no!
Some NumbersIf the Rockets could do it over again, they would have never trade Gay for Battier. That was a horrible trade.
And Battier was brought on board because he fit the Jeff Van Gundy's schemes. And yeah, he has been a disappointment. He has scored less points per minutes than Jacque Vaughn. On a team that has been without McGrady for much of the first half of the season, that's shockingly pathetic.
Now that I think about it more, I think that trade is unfair to the Spurs. San Antonio already has enough perimeter players that can't score. Scratch that trade idea.
Kapono was supposed to start for the Raptors at small forward. Moon beat him out for that job. Now even Delfino is eating away minutes at the small forward position.
And Anthony Parker is a shooting guard. He too has very little to do with the Kapono situation. I wouldn't especially like the Spurs trading for Kapono but if they are going to go after Korver, Kapono is basically the same player with the same contract. And Sam Mitc doesn't seem to like Kapono all that much.
I think that Haslem deal is highly unlikely. It would have to take the perfect storm of the Heat wanting to open up cap room with no other teams willing to eat Miami's contracts.
Barry, Net PER as an SF +3.8, EFG% 0.630
Battier, Net PER as an SF -1.8, EFG% 0.539
Kapono, Net PER as an SF -1.3, EFG% 0.572
We underrate Barry badly on this board. He's better than a lot of people think, particularly as a lubricant in our offense.
If I was going to trade with Houston, I would ask for Battier and Hayes. Hayes might not have much PT this season, what with Scola showing up, but he could earn quite a bit with us; he's got a real talent for rebounding. I would likely do such a trade, as Battier is not completely encompassed by statistical measures.
I would not trade for Kapono. Unlike Battier, he doesn't bring more than the box score, and Barry is simply a better player, as well as being on an expiring contract, with us holding his Bird rights...He might very well re-sign with us for the vet min next year.
Finally, the I agree with TIMVP, the Haslem deal is exceedingly unlikely.
Brent is one of my favorites, but if he has to be traded, then this is the one I would like to see.Barry for Jason Kapono - The Spurs went after another one dimensional shooter with a bad contract (Korver), so why not his twin brother? Kapono lost his starting job and the Raptors may want to open up more consistent time for players like Moon and Delfino.
Not to bust your bubble, but Orien Greene was waived by the Pacers then signed by Sacramento and cut before they got Beno..............
More research please.
Mikki Moore signed a multiyear deal with Sacramento.
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_8109739
Looks like JR Smith's trade value is at its lowest since being with the Hornets when the Spurs almost pulled of that trade for him.
Elson for Smith and Wafer
Mikki Moore will not put us over the top. I would rather have Barry's shooting ability during the playoffs.
to be brought: Haslem would be a dream... very unlikely thought... Kapono would fit nicely but i still believe Pop will respect Barry's last year...
to get rid of: Bonner, Elson, Oberto
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