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I have to agree with this.
Last thing we need is to pull a Miami.
Like always you fail to see the point and go right to redundant sarcasm.
The past is great but at some point you can't ride your current vet core, that point is now. They had Jax, Gino, Parker and others so at some point they've had at least some youth helping win rings in the years past. It hasn't always been about the old movement. They rode the vets last year successfully and now they're a year older and it shows. Its time to make a move. Its always been the draft with this team when its legitimately contending. I'd like to see them make a move for youth and for the future or at least someone in their late 20's. FA doesn't work well for SA at least not lately and not for anything more than a compliment vet for 8 minutes a game.
I have to agree with this.
Last thing we need is to pull a Miami.
Good luck finding a team that wants to give the Spurs a young player.I'd like to see them make a move for youth and for the future or at least someone in their late 20's. FA doesn't work well for SA at least not lately and not for anything more than a compliment vet for 8 minutes a game.
Last thing the Spurs need to do is pull a bob friggen bass.
To trade for trades sake.
They had a nice offer for Mag last year that they turned down. They could have at least attempted to bring in Barnes. The opportunity is out there.
No one said trade for trades sake but it sure beats signing crap for craps sakes RASHO and so forth.
Maybe they aren't as high on Barnes as you are?They had a nice offer for Mag last year that they turned down. They could have at least attempted to bring in Barnes. The opportunity is out there.
Personally I trust their decision making. Its worked.
Its worked?!? They have really really gotten lucky in the draft or we can call it "scouting well" in any event they've failed miserably in the FA market and continuely shop those vets for a freebie. Any youth impact player has been home grown or via draft. Now they have nothing in the youth impact bank so to speak and it shows.
I don't doubt the decision making entirely but you'd be ignorant to think this team actively pursues youth to vets. I'm not saying you can win with youth but a nice blend of youth and vets has always gotten the job done. Its obvious this team need a mid 20's hungry aggressive player ala Jax or Manu 4 years back. They're productive but as they guys age they become the role players that surround the young talent. All I'm saying is that its time for a change. These vets are tired and its nearing the end and in some cases...Horry....the end is now.
You call Michael FInley and Brent Barry failures?in any event they've failed miserably in the FA market
but you'd be ignorant to think this team actively pursues youth to vets
I guess I must be since your privy to their conversations more than us.
They and every team in the playoffs does sure.Its obvious this team need a mid 20's hungry aggressive player ala Jax or Manu 4 years back.
Okiedokie Barack.All I'm saying is that its time for a change
These vets are tired and its nearing the end and in some cases...Horry....the end is now.
I can't wait to see what you haters are gonna say in the playoffs when Horry drops 8 points 7 rebounds 2 blocked shots and a game clincher.
"WE NEVER DOUBTED YOU ROBERT!!!!"
They should have sent Presti to Chicago.
It is time to activate Presti a la McHale-West.
I'd go for Horry, Javtokas and a 2nd round in 2067 for K Durant.
Wallace? Does everyone forget this guy is being paid upwards of $15mil per year? Couple that along with his declining skills and I wonder why his name keeps coming up on this board?
If Paxson had any brains at all, he wiould've simply retained Tyson Chandler. He's got little offense too, but at least he's a legit 7-footer, can catch an alley oop and has surpassed Wallace as one of the premier rebounders in the league. Not to mention he's considerably younger and cheaper.
I never said I was a hater. You love to assume and then mouth off. Its why you're one of the most annoying posters ever to grace this board. You're shock value is below average and lacking is substance.You call Michael FInley and Brent Barry failures?
I guess I must be since your privy to their conversations more than us.
They and every team in the playoffs does sure.
Okiedokie Barack.
I can't wait to see what you haters are gonna say in the playoffs when Horry drops 8 points 7 rebounds 2 blocked shots and a game clincher.
"WE NEVER DOUBTED YOU ROBERT!!!!"
Barry has been benched and shopped since day one and he plays sparingly either when they really need him, he's hot or they're trying to showcase him. He'll go stretches where he's ineffective all the time, also well out of his prime.
Finley I'm fine with but again I'll point out that he's an aging vet on the ass end of his career who signed for nothing. That kind of player in his prime or nearing the end of his prime never signs in SA. Only way to get a Finley type player in his prime is to either draft him or trade for him.
Its not about hate its about seeing some of the youth that has helped this team win championships in the past and really seeing a lack of it this season. What was once our youth are now are vets except an injured Parker. Outside of Parker I'm not sure this Spurs team has anyone in their prime (I consider Manu in the later stages of prime). I don't think they're going to score two All-Stars in the late first or second round any time soon either.
When Chi gave Wallace that huge contract, I said in a couple of years they would be wondering why the they did it. I'm sure they would love to get him off the books.
Problem with Wallace, he gives you absolutely no offense, plus he isn't the defensive terror he once was.
No way will you ever see him in Silver and Black.
Ben is done...
wallace is an offensive and free throw liability. He gives you only defense while we need offense! The Spurs will never do this, please drop nonsense talk.
After the Shaq move I'm not sure this trade is total nonsense. I'm not an advocate for Wallace and his contract but if it brings in Thomas and a pick I think its a worthy look. Wallace would work a lot better next to Tim and this system over Chicago, he'd certainly be a better compliment than Elson or Oberto. Thomas would be a young player that could bring some youth and energy off the bench. Not a terrible move if done correctly.
I love Ben Wallace on a team, like, the Suns.
One that can make up for his lack of scoring.
We're not that team and already struggle at the line at the end of games.
I 100% agree with you but we wouldn't be giving up scoring for him. Its not as if we're moving 12ppg for his 2. He'd be a better fit next to Tim than Oberto he basically only give this team 5ppg. I'm thinking second chance opportunities. Plus if you get Thomas you get instant hustle and spark from the pine. I wouldn't even consider this unless there is a compliment player involved.
No, I mean even if you put Wallace on our team right now, we don't have the scoring.
You'd need Duncan and Manu to do all the scoring.
Perhaps they should have stepped up a little stronger in the Korver talks.
With all the NBA teams making moves, just trade Ben Wallace to the Nets. Don't they need a big hulking mass of doo doo in the middle?
In 2001, Ben Wallace put up some fantastic numbers. I argue he should have won the DPOY then, but someone beat him out on the rebounding totals, so he wasn't considered. They had a top tier scorer in Jerry Stackhouse. Yet, the team struggled mightily. In 2002, they became a 50 win team. What changed?
In the beginning of the 2003-2004 season, Ben Wallace again was putting up numbers. But the team was struggling mightily. Playing sub 500 ball for a while. Had a 13 game win streak flanked by a couple of 4 and 5 game loosing streaks. And then, all of a sudden, the Pistons became a defensive juggernaut and went on to win the 2004 NBA le. What changed?
When Ben Wallace went to the Bulls, the team struggled at first, but then went on to beat the defending champion Miami Heat in the 1st round, and took the Pistons to 6 before running out of gas. What changed?
You guys are correct, Ben Wallace is a limited offensive player. And in the wrong system, this weakness can be exploited. But he was (and imho still is) such a good defender, that in the correct system it can not only be masked, but made into a positive.
What changed: In the start of the 01-02 campaign, they acquired Cliff Robinson, arguable the best 1-on-1 post defender in the NBA at that time. In the start of the 03-04 campaign, he was traded away without a replacement. In the middle of that season, they acquired Rasheed Wallace, arguably the SECOND BEST 1-on-1 post defender in the NBA... and a HUGE upgrade on offense. When Ben went to the Bulls, Skiles was debating playing PJ Brown in favor of other players. He finally got it that Ben played better with PJ because he was a half decent 1-on-1 post defender. Ben no longer has a 'side kick' if you want to call it that. He is a help side defender. Period. That is when he is effective. He can't play with others who are also help side defenders, or with players who are 'holes' on defense. On a team like San Antonio with another of the game's great 1-on-1 post defenders, you might see an iron curtain like you haven't seen, well, since the Pistons of 2004...
Keep in mind, since 2004, the careers of Shaq and Ben have been intertwined. If the Shaq-Marion trade goes down, look for some western contender to counter with a trade for Ben, regardless whether or not they know what I have just posted on this message board.
Ben Wallace does put backs, and his assist numbers are often overlooked.
You gonna put Bowen, Wallace and Duncan on the floor at the same time in a big spot?
FT%
Hack-A-Shaq doesn't work, unless Shaq's team is the one doing it, while they are ahead.
Historically speaking of course.
Doesn't matter. It shouldn't get that far. Besides, doesn't Timmay (and to an extent Ben) make them when they count?
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