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You mean the war congress voted for? The one Hillary voted for?
"Clinton downsizing the Military while he was in office is something I did not support'
Did you have a financial interest in an upsized military?
The US had won the extremely expensive Cold War and had every right to collect a Peace Dividend from a down-sized military.
No country even has a military and industrial/logistical base to invade the USA, so that red herring. US's military budget is bigger than the rest of the world's budgets combined, and 10x bigger than number 2, China.
A huge standing Army did all to stop the 9/11 because that was a total, willful failure by the Commander in Chief.
You mean the war congress voted for? The one Hillary voted for?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the downsizing of the military begin under Bush I?
Miliary Down Sizing Under Clinton - Facts
Don't blame it all on Clinton.
why "blame" anybody? Who was/is against The Peace Dividend?
The biggest ers were and are the corrupt MIC that stood to lose 100s of $Bs in business.
The bloated defense budget is nothing but transfer of wealth from taxpayers to super-wealthy MIC management. MIC creates jobs? sure, so the US conFISCates tax $$ and to subsidize the MIC. socialism
Before the War on Poverty, defense spending was nearly 50% of the national budget; it is now just under 20%.
You should be pleased at the reduction in Socialism since the mid '60's.
Didn't Dummy Dumsfeld and Cheney propose and support military cuts in the 90's? weapons? Budget?... Wasn't Dummy the one who wanted a leaner, more mobile military?.. Oh wait it's Clinton's fault never mind.. We get it you hate the Clintons.. save all of the bull pinning everything on Clinton schtick and just post you hate them...
Just to let you know that Cheney , Bush 41, and Rummy all supported downsizing the military and it's budget. Most Clinton haters aren't intelletually honest enough to acknowledge that one of the main reasons to downsize was the end of the cold war. We didn't need as much stuff considering the fall of the USSR. As far as Bin laden goes please keep in mind that he hadn't done anything as of yet when Slick Willy had the opportunity and he stated as such. To put this into perspective if we had some nut go on Al-Jazeera today and proclaim death to America we would want Bush to go get the guy..does that make any sense? Do you realize how many people want our country wiped off the face of the earth? What would Bush do? Get some freak who hates us? Please never make judgements when you are given information from people who won't give you the whole story..by the way I really dig hot girls that are interested in politics..
yeah with the information your hero gave them.. sort of like mommy and daddy giving you information on kicking your neighbors ass because he killed your cat...to then later find out after the ass kicking that he really had nothing to do with killing your animal..
so according to little gary your soley responsible for the consequences even though your parents lied to you..
I will admit I was younger when I served(18-24) and my point of view is limited from the inside looking in and the fact I was young, able to drink and didn't have parent reins holding me back for having a good time:eyebows. Regretfully I have not had much interest in politics and it will take some time before I can make decisions for myself in regards to politics, politicians , etc. without my emotions running my decisions for me.
And Yeah I don't like the Clintons overall.
But I really don't know I want as a presidential candidate or pres just yet...got to see what my needs and wants are and see which candidate has the campaign that will meet/fulfill those needs and wants. OMG...it sounds like I am looking for a boyfriend and a presidential candidate at the same ing time!
Yep, Clinton just continued the process through BRAC, etc. In all fairness, you can't really blame Clinton for that since it was established policy before he took office.
If I remember right, there were a lot of regulations put in place that limited the information the intelligence networks could share put in under Clinton, and Clinton has the honor of being the first American President to codify into law that marraige is between a Man and a Woman. He also allowed greater freedom for the Government to jack the money being put away for SS, and got the weird government magic accounting to show a surplus. Oh, and don't forget regime change in Iraq was Clinton's policy (never acted on), and he bestowed MFN status to several major human rights violaters.
Other than that, he got lucky enough to ride the wave of post-Cold War economic boom.
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I will admit I was younger when I served(18-24) and my point of view is limited from the inside looking in and the fact I was young, able to drink and didn't have parent reins holding me back for having a good time:eyebows. Regretfully I have not had much interest in politics and it will take some time before I can make decisions for myself in regards to politics, politicians , etc. without my emotions running my decisions for me.
And Yeah I don't like the Clintons overall.
But I really don't know I want as a presidential candidate or pres just yet...got to see what my needs and wants are and see which candidate has the campaign that will meet/fulfill those needs and wants. OMG...it sounds like I am looking for a boyfriend and a presidential candidate at the same ing time!
Don't mistake my clarifications on Clinton as an endorsement of his character . He is not as bad as most haters make him out to be.
But I do blame president Clinton. I have addressed this before, as I was in the military under president Bush(41) when this all started.
President Bush and congress put together a five year plan to reduce the forces. I think we can accept the link numbers that show president Bush reduced the military from 2.2 million to 1.8 million. This was acceptable. A few battle units were dissolved, but most of the cuts were in units that would never be in a war zone, replaced by civilian contract. My entire job field was one of them. We were the "AT&T" of the Army and Air Force. Once security needs was reduced, jobs like these were turned over to contract employees.
Now comes president Clinton, wanting to outdo president Bush. He now cuts the 1.8 million to 1.4 million. How did he do it? He continued to cut battle units that were deemed necessary to keep under president Bush. He also replaced supply operations, food serving operations, etc. to contact employees, causing the debacle with Halliburton. We should have never had contracted civilian employees working in a war zone. That was president Clinton's doing. We go to war with the military we have, and we had a crippled military left over from president Clinton.
I haven't calculated to the extent I did before, but 61% of the super delegates have voted now and only 36% of the regular delegates have voted. Senator Clinton leads in the super delegate count, but senator Obama leads in the regular delegate count... Like I said about the trend earlier... If he keeps getting more of the regular delegates, there are so many more...
I hope not. I was pissed by the outcome. I have heard several possible explanations for it. All I can say is that the republican party will whither away if they keep moving away from the conservative base.
Romney still has a chance, hopefully conservatives will go out in force during the next elections. Hopefully, part of it was just the biggest liberal states also were in play, the real conservative oriented states haven't voted yet.
Wake up time! Come on conservatives... Get out and vote...
Oh thats right, I forgot the whole conspiracy thing right. Bush was able to coerce an entire story and fake evidence with his entire cabinet, staff and Military leaders to dupe Congress. He had controll of all those people. Because the sole reason Bush wanted to go to war was for oil(the very little we get from Iraq) and to finish what his dad started and all that liberal filibusting that you and your kind do.
Thats right. You win, now go ahead and toke up, smoke yourself silly, and sing praises to all things left through your haze of bong smoke.
um you guys arguing that the clintons are bad for reducing the military budget are dumb. Uh....we should be spending between 800 billion and 1 trillion dollars on the military industrial complex per annum.
Who deemed these necessary and can you provide any do entation to back that up? If Clinton did cut back 'needed' battle untis then he deserves criticism but pardon me if I don't take your word for it. Is Clinton the first President to employ private contractors to supplement logistical support for the military? All I heard from the bushbots concerning Halliburton is that they proposed the lowest bid for these services which included the Clinton administration. Are you now saying that the HAlliburton deal is a bad one?
Hey dummy he could have witheld infromation that contradicted what he gave congress. For example the aluminum tubes he specifically mentioned. Your chickenhawk hero told the world that they could be used for nuclear purposes.. yet his own Scientists told him that the tubes in fact were to small for nuclear centrifuges and were most likely for mortar hardware... I wonder why he didn't mention that when he brought up the tubes in the first place...... hmmm and if he only told congress that they were for nuclear purposes that would be reason for war and proof he was trying to build more wmds... of course he didn't he must have forgot..Oh thats right, I forgot the whole conspiracy thing right. Bush was able to coerce an entire story and fake evidence with his entire cabinet, staff and Military leaders to dupe Congress. He had controll of all those people. Because the sole reason Bush wanted to go to war was for oil(the very little we get from Iraq) and to finish what his dad started and all that liberal filibusting that you and your kind do.
Thats right. You win, now go ahead and toke up, smoke yourself silly, and sing praises to all things left through your haze of bong smoke.
You may call that a conspiracy but I call it a fact..There are other instances when Bush made comments he knew that weren't verified but hey what the we needed this war. Minions like you cheered like drugged monkeys when bush made these now known outrageous and unsubstantiated claims...
I know your still waiting for ther stockpiles of wmds to turn up....
Your right it's a conspiracy... now go back and pick your ann coulter book and continue memorizing the good parts.. don't play with me little man
Much of the Deep South voted, and it voted for Huckabee, not Romney.
I just don't think there are nearly as many movement conservatives as there used to be. There are separate economic, fiscal, social, and neo-conservatives, but there currently is no one unifying leader to keep the coalition together, which is why all three remaining candidates are moderates except for one area each in which they are conservative (Romney-economic, Huckabee-social, McCain-defense).
Romney isn't really a conservative. He's just the designated anti-McCain candidate.
Also, since McCain already has 720 delegates of the 1,191 needed, and most of the remaining states allocate their delegates proportionally, there's really no chance to stop McCain unless Romney starts getting 75% of the vote everywhere, which simply is not realistic.
Also, Snake:
Wake up and smell the trend; the Bible belt DOES NOT support Romney. They WON'T vote for a Mormon. The only evangelicals who are voting for him probably don't know he is a Mormon (my sister - 40 year old youth minister didn't) - I tested my theory; I asked her if she would consider voting for Romney: "Yeah, he's alright, but I really like Huckabee." Me: "Did you know Romney is a Mormon?" Sister: "A Mormon? Oh, then, no way I would vote for him, I'll vote for McCain."
I understand it was a very un-scientific sampling of ONE, but it was EXACTLY the response I expected. If you have never attended an evangelical church, you don't understand ( , they still have a problem with Catholics!)
I cant ing believe this country.
The Demo party is a bankrupt organization of thieves.
The Demo nominee needs ~2200 delegates to win the primary, right?
Superdelagates comprise ~768 delegates (or some odd).
I hope this ing country wakes up at some point. Tells you how much your vote means (ie NOTHING) in the primary if youre voting Demo.
And proportional delegation? WTF? This is just stupid. And Dems wonder why people laugh at them, not with them.
We have no ing idea yet. Lame....just ing lame.
"we should be spending between 800 billion and 1 trillion dollars on the military industrial complex per annum."
US already spends that much, and more, every year. military, nuclear, fbi/nsa/nsa/cia, 2 wars, VA, etc, so what are you ing about? not enough MIC $$ in YOUR pocket?
I was baptized Catholic, but obviously do not practice.
Funny story.
This new co-op girl was hired at our sister company. Nice girl, way too indoctrinated for her age, but nice.
Anyway, she brought up religion, so here was our conversation....
Me: So, are you Catholic?
Her: No, Im Christian.
Me: No, I asked if you were Catholic.
Her: Yeah, I know. Im Christian.
Me: So, Catholics arent Christian?
Her: (confused look on her face, then a laugh) Not even close.
End conversation.
Shes apart of some fringe cult-like Protestant religion. Shes 19, married and has never been out of the state, nor dated anyone else. Doesnt drink, doesnt smoke, doesnt swear (until recently, I hear) and thinks anyone who does is straight-up, no-questions-asked going to to burn for eternity.
I feel sorry for her in a way. Her husband (who is also very young) has started going to college recently and might be going away to a university soon. Rude awakening just around the corner....
lol
We have everyone and their dog railing against the current process and yet somehow the same old candidates end up being elected and when anyone who comes along who actually presents a change from the status quo then he's a quack. In the end, we get the government we deserve.
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