Reply With QuoteI think the Spurs elimination of LA started Kobe's downward spiral.
P.S.
Those "I Love Kobe" and "I Love Vannessa" bracelets are gay.
Dan,
It's obvious you don't have a clue, best to just pass on this one.
I wasn't trying to show "moral outrage", just say that I'm sick of people bringing up Kobe's "character", when it's obvious that is a farce. Reading comprehension 101.
As for the rest of your posts, talk about grasping for straws. Oh no, she took a whole 13 hours to go to police. The horror! Don't let your opinion on rape victims be shaped by the defense and Kobe apologists, that is actually a pretty "quick" decision to report an incident by a rape victim. Many take months or even over a year to come to grips with it and go to the authorities.
Don't let that get in the way of your hero worship though. Heavenforbid the great Kobe Bryant actually did something horrible like this.
AHF
I think the Spurs elimination of LA started Kobe's downward spiral.
P.S.
Those "I Love Kobe" and "I Love Vannessa" bracelets are gay.
Just a few words...
1 - Kori - You said Kobe's story has changed. Publically, that isn't true at all. Only people talking about the case is all the girl's friends that she's been around. If anyone is proved to be lying its them. Bray, family spokesperson said she drove home alone, another said they drove her. Its like even they can't get their facts straight.
2 - If there were marks on her, Kobe would have been arrested on the spot for assault, not aloud to fly home, make arrangements to come in after the holiday, then called in before the holiday. Assault and battery at the very least. Plus, the DA wouldn't have said anything about not being sure to press charges or been a 2 week delay.
3 - Which leads to 3 - the public doesn't know jack about what happen. Best to wait until the trial or the case is opened when you can make a rational decision.
4 - If Kobe raped her, he deserves jail time. If he didn't, then he did nothing illegal. No one should think of themselves as the moral police so if he cheated on his spouse (like over half of Americans do) thats on him. Only his maker can judge that. He without sin should cast the first stone.
Kobe's character? Just ask me!
Sincerely,
Samaki Walker
NOT2cleva,
the only way the police arrest krybe for assalt the same day is if they are called to the scene and both parties are present. They obviously felt that the was not enough evidence to hold him, being that he is the mighty krybe kryant of the lakers. If it would have been you, they would have haulded your ass to jail.
Face it your lame ass hero lied to the team about getting surgery on his knee, why should anyone believe him about this?
Hopefully he gets everything he deserves.
Go Spurs...
I hope he gets what he derserves. only becuase stars get off all the time. I could care less how it effects basketball. basketball is a game. striping off girls panties and raping them is not right. Right now I have no desire to watch kobe play ball again. all I can think abut it what he did to her and his wife.
A report came out today that almost the entire bellboy story is complete bogus. He did not drive her home and her clothes were not torn. An editor from the Vail daily has been in email correspondance with someone I know and he said that they haven't reported anything that wasn't completely confirmed, and they've confirmed that this story is not true.
I feel sorry for the girl.
Either she was raped,
or she's effing mental.
I don't give a **** about kobe or his wife.
However, I will reserve judgement on anyone...
until all the facts come to light and the jury makes their decision.....
Godbless them all.
Tawnia79* is that report on the internet?
Tawnia79,
that doesn't change the fact that krybe lied to the team about getting surgury on his knee (the reason for being in Colorado). That in itself makes everything else he says not creditable. He is innocent until proven guilty, but that does not mean he is a saint either.
Something happened between krybe and this girl, and he lied about it in the beginning hoping he could come to a settlement with her. You can bury your head in the sand, hold your hands to your ears, and babble incorhirently but it doesn't change that fact that krybe is not the person you thought he was.
I guess this is what happens when kids grow up without being held responsible for their actions. It would really be nice to think that justice will be served in this case, but I will not be so optomistic.
Go Spurs....
I wonder if going straight into the nba from high school has played a role in this?
what are you talking about???that doesn't change the fact that krybe lied to the team about getting surgury on his knee
And no Ducks, it's in the Vail Daily, the local paper out in Eagle Colorado.
Something did happen between Kobe and this girl, but that does not make him a criminal.
There are a lot of rumors going around that have absolutely no truth to them... it's just a shame that a lot of those are the ones getting the most attention. The disturbance calls and now this bellboy story have both been denied by several sources.
And just for the record, I'm not burying my head in the sand in any of this. If he did do what this girl claims he did, he needs to be punished for it. I'm just praying that nothing criminal happened, and I'll stick by him until the day his conviction is handed down, and I hope that day never happens.
2cleva,
Ehhhhh, wrong. Kobe at first said he didn't know the girl and would never do anything like that. Then when charges are filed he has the whole sobbing "I committed adultery" press conference. So he's already lied.1 - Kori - You said Kobe's story has changed. Publically, that isn't true at all. Only people talking about the case is all the girl's friends that she's been around. If anyone is proved to be lying its them. Bray, family spokesperson said she drove home alone, another said they drove her. Its like even they can't get their facts straight.
Not true at all. The victim has to request charges be filed, otherwise the poolice have no grounds for arresting her.2 - If there were marks on her, Kobe would have been arrested on the spot for assault, not aloud to fly home, make arrangements to come in after the holiday, then called in before the holiday. Assault and battery at the very least. Plus, the DA wouldn't have said anything about not being sure to press charges or been a 2 week delay.
As for the DA taking two weeks, it's called dotting your i's and crossing your t's so that Kobe doesn't get off on some minor technicality when his high priced high clout legal team gets involved.
Of course, it's not like you haven't jumped to conclusions in saying that her friends are all liars or that they don't have their facts straight. I mean it's not like Kobe's people and all these "we love Kobe" dumb s haven't been running around dragging this girl's rep through the mud or anything. Gimme a break.3 - Which leads to 3 - the public doesn't know jack about what happen. Best to wait until the trial or the case is opened when you can make a rational decision.
Well, if he didn't he can't get thrown in jail for adultery, but his wife damn sure can divorce his ass *legally* and take a lot of his bank account and possessions with her because of it.4 - If Kobe raped her, he deserves jail time. If he didn't, then he did nothing illegal. No one should think of themselves as the moral police so if he cheated on his spouse (like over half of Americans do) thats on him. Only his maker can judge that. He without sin should cast the first stone.
I don't see how bringing up the fact other people cheat somehow props up your argument, that's some lame, weak man. You gonna use that as an excuse to cheat on your wife one day? "Sorry honey, other people do it, I hope you understand."
Whatever.
That's right, hate because you are a rapist, a liar, and an adulterer.Kobe: Don't hate cuz I got the Magic Stick!
AHF
vail daily has a website. link
I might see if Ifind it if I have time
Two more rumors bite the dust
Ride home and torn clothing just not true, sources say
Two more reports regarding the Kobe Bryant case circulating among part of the national media were debunked Monday.
Media reports that the 19-year-old woman who Bryant allegedly assaulted received a ride home is not the case, sources said Monday. Reports that her clothing was torn are also untrue, sources also.
Sources told the Daily that the alleged victim managed to get herself home by 11:50 p.m., June 30, after ending the shift at the Lodge at Cordillera at around 11:10 p.m.
They also said that while her clothing was disheveled and showed signs that something had occurred, it wasn't torn or ripped, as some reports indicated.
"Some of the reports made it sound like something out of a bad movie," said one source. "It wasn't like that."
The reports are part of a larger set of rumors and gossip that have been circulating across the country about the case. Among them:
- That the alleged victim was in the room two hours. It was only about 20 minutes.
- When she came down, she was hysterical. She was not. Sources said she was in a stupor and a state of shock.
- A few days before the incident, the alleged victim had accused another hotel worker of sexual harassment, getting him fired. Not true, said the man who was terminated. It was not the alleged victim.
Cameras in court
Eagle County Judge Fred Gannett ruled that not only is Bryant required to appear at 4 p.m. Wednesday, he also ruled Monday that there will be cameras in the courtroom.
Gannett denied a motion by Bryant's attorneys asking Gannett to reconsider an earlier order allowing one video camera and one still camera in the courtroom while Bryant is advised of the charges against him, and also advised of his rights.scoop
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Krybe didn't tell the team (his employer) that he was going to go get surgury for his knee. He should have disclosed this to the lakers as it direct effects them. By hiding this from his teammates, his coaches and the team doctors this will effect his creditability. If he was hiding this from his employers, what else is he hiding.
Why don't you tell me what Krybe was doing in Colorado, if it wasn't for knee surgury.
Go Spurs...
No where in this statement does it indicate he LIED to them. The surgery he had was a very simple one, maybe it was something that commonly happens and he didn't think it was a big deal to tell them about it. To demonstrate how simple the surgery was, he was walking on it immediately afterwards.Krybe didn't tell the team (his employer) that he was going to go get surgury for his knee. He should have disclosed this to the lakers as it direct effects them
Tawnia, the Lakers have gone on record that it's extremely unusual for a player to get surgery without their knowledge.
I understand that, but he HAD the surgery, I don't understand what the issue is here...Tawnia, the Lakers have gone on record that it's extremely unusual for a player to get surgery without their knowledge
dang...That the alleged victim was in the room two hours. It was only about 20 minutes.
get her clothes off, wham bam thank you maam, get her clothes back on and back to the lobby in 20 minutes?
wow...
the guy obviously doesn't believe in foreplay....sounds like he was lucky (or unlucky) he didn't in his pants...
The issue is:
1) He had surgery without telling the Lakers. (Was he going to tell them if he hadn't got caught?)
2) He initially said that he didn't know the girl.
3) Then he said he flirted with her.
4) Finally he said that he had sex with her.
Lying is a pattern.
I like Kobe a lot. But it makes you doubt the rest of the story.
I understand that as a Laker/Kobe fan, this must all be incredibly frustrating. I can't imagine if this were Tim Duncan. There are so many rumors that it's impossible to know the truth.
But my point of posting the claims of the bellmen were because, IF true, this changes everything.
It's extremely difficult to prove the sex wasn't consentual. I don't even think that there are torn clothes, etc. But if there were marks on her face and neck, it's no longer "he said, she said".
I never once remember Kobe saying he didn't know her... Is there an article or something you can link to this? I've pretty much kept up with everything that's happened and I hadn't heard this at all. He just said that he wouldn't do "that," now the word "that" is up for interpretation... Did it mean he didn't sleep with her or he didn't assault her?
And let me say that if there are marks on her face, I wonder where and what they look like. I get red marks on my face if I kiss my boyfriend after he hasn't shaved in a day or two.
Aggie -
1 - Kobe was talking about the charge, not whether he committed adultry. A HUGE difference.
2 - With markings there would have been assault charges off the bat. Forget rape, he would have been arrested off the bat for that.
3 - Are you talking about fans (who don't mean a thing) or public speakers? There have been people who've publically had Kobe's back through friendship but you haven't seen his lawyers commenting back to every little thing, and he's only had the one appearance. All the "leaks" and lies have been right out of Vail.
4 - No one judges your relationship. What he does off the court is not my business.
5 - The tag is a joke.
I thought about that same thing.And let me say that if there are marks on her face, I wonder where and what they look like. I get red marks on my face if I kiss my boyfriend after he hasn't shaved in a day or two.
I guess it depends on how long the marks lasted, if they turned to bruises, etc.
I'll look for something about him not knowing her.
I've been keeping pretty silent on the whole issue, from the start, mainly because I don't even know what's going on, and there is a lot of info that still hasn't come to light (I think most of the info so far has been bogus speculation from the press and Vail).
I'll be honest. At first, I thought there was no way Kobe would have raped the girl. But as of right now, I'm sort of wavering on the issue. You hear and read so much from the press, and even on this message board, that for me I'm thinking one way one day, and another way the next day.
Without reading into what we've heard so far, the fact that the girl was willing to risk public humiliation (a big reason why many women don't come forward when they are actually raped) speaks volumes to me. I was talking about this with a buddy while we were out at a bar a few days ago. I mean, generally a women won't "cry wolf" in a situation like this. And this thing is going to follow her around for the rest of her life, whether it's true or not. THAT is why I'm not so sure about Kobe's innocence.
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