Totally disagree. You don't have to have 5 guys running the break, they don't even do that now. Alot of times Marion, Barbosa, Diaw, Hill usually had to stay back to help with the rebounding since we give up so many second chance opportunities.
Yeah, now Marion can score 6 points per game in a series against the Spurs while sitting at home on his couch in Miami.Just wanted to start an official "Thank You" thread for Steve Kerr, our new BFF. He just removed PHX from the list of playoff problems for all of us in the West. Now and for the next few years, since Snaq's giant contract will cripple the franchise going forward.
Yeah yeah, I know, Marion was unhappy, but THIS is the best they could do?
A toast!
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this posses a problem for the spurs down low. However, Steve Nash will allow TP to go for 30 a game so the spurs should be ok.
You guys are getting a tad bit y. We can kid ourselves but the Suns with Kurt Thomas were in a very good position to knock the Spurs off in last year's playoffs before Stoudemire's stupidity.
so it's not a trade that took Suns out of contention. come on
DJ Strawberry has been mixing in the rotation over the past couple months so that Barbosa can play the 2 guard position. There are alot of times where the line-up consist of Nash and Barbosa at guards which works pretty good.
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So we can always count on Stoudemire getting suspended? Not the same.
Shaq was too lazy to come up with a signature shot in his younger years so he has nothing to help him now--Kareem had the skyhook way into his 40s. No lift means no dunking. The dude can't even make a decent lay-up, it's pathetic. I think the Phoenix brass is hoping that Shaq was simply "dogging it" in Miami; that maybe there is some of the Diesel left that he chose not to show. That's a big gamble. For their sake I hope that they're right. Otherwise they let go of a great player for NOTHING.
He's not going to slow duncan Down? Duncans gonna go past shaq like crap through a goose!
That is why I stated they are using DJ Strawberry. Barbosa can be a great offensive firepower off the bench but he sometimes becomes a black hole. Playing the shooting guard position is a better fit. They tried Marcus Banks but it never seemed to click
Exactly, Shaq just needs to make the oultet pass, which he's great at, and off they go. They will still run a bunch, but now, when they play a team like the SPurs, they can slow it down as well.
And like the other poster said, if this team with Kurt Thomas gave us trouble, Shaq def will.
Marion is so overated here I cant believe it.
Duncan's always been too quick for Shaq, and that's doubly true now. Like crap through a goose is about right.
And all those who think Shaq will be happy rebounding and starting the break, remember how the 'big dog' has to be 'fed' to be happy? Shaq has never been happy just doing the low post dirty work and letting other guys take the shots. He'd probably still be in LA if he was that kind of player.
Nash isn't selfish like Kobe - he always has that pass/assist first mentality.
How do you rebound now with bad knees, hips, oh and please dont forget that sore BIG TOE!!!!
Sorry Suns fans...you're not getting the shaq you hope for. He's done.
Spurs fans are projecting too much of their wishes on this trade. Shaq can commit himself to doing what it takes to winning a championship and letting someone else get the glory (ie Miami). If Shaq wins a le with the Suns that will have been 3 different teams he's accomplished that on as well as 4 different teams he helped take to the NBA Finals. His legacy is already pretty stout but going back to the Finals with yet another team this year would be ridiculous. Don't think he isn't aware of that. Plus going through the West and knocking off the Lakers who took Kobe over him as well as the Champion Spurs is no small motivation.
You really get more idiotic with each post. While i'm still out on this trade, do you think a franchise would invest almost $50mil into a player if they didn't think there was something left??? This is why you're a fan and Kerr is the GM. He has the medical staff (one of the best in the NBA) and other experts to determine if Shaq can work.
Yes, this is a huge gamble, but the potential rewards are incredibly high. As Kerr said, he'll either look like a genius or moron in a year or two.
I am shocked that there are not more suns fans on here defending this trade. THey usually litter every other thread.
Signature move? What was David Robinson's signature move that allowed him to play well into his late 30s? What was Wilt Chamberlain's move that allowed him to play well into his late 30s? What was Karl Malone's signature move that allowed him to play until he was 40? What the does having a signature move have to do with anything I said anyway? Kareem with the Showtime Lakers in the late 1980s was still slow and plodding. It didn't prevent the Lakers from running an uptempo fast break style. How does not having or not having a signature move refute that? Kareem didn't shoot the sky hook in transition, genius.
They were going to lose that "great player" for nothing anyway this summer when he opted out. And, even if they get nothing, they get rid of a player that didn't want to be there, demanded a trade, was clashing with management, coaching, and teammates, was jealous of his teammates, and was overrated anyway. So even if they get nothing for him, at least they get rid of the headache and have a "gambler's chance" of getting past teams with great low post presences.
As long as he puts a body on the biggest guy on the other team, he doesn't need to. Amare will do the rebounding against smaller and less athletic bigs.
People automatically assume because Shaq is no longer athletic that he can't be effective. No, he's not going to produce like a 25 year old Shaq. But, he needs to be accounted for. Amare no longer has to be the only big man to defend and rebound. Shaq in the low post at both ends of the court is still better than a 6-7, 230 pound Shawn Marion playing power forward. It just is.
Spur fan's obsession with the Suns has the posts coming so fast & furious we can't keep up.
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Shaq should have some motivation, but it remains to be seen if his body can get it done anymore. Its too early to tell if this trade is good or not, but Shaq has to get on the floor and test his body before any determination can be made. Given his recent struggles I'd say he has to prove his body can still get it done.
He was really funny in his press conference, and he seemed super excited to be on the team. "This team's great with or without me, I just want to fit in and help make everyone better".
Yeah the worst thing that could happen happened.
Shaq has reportedly lost weight and is in good shape.
Spurs HAVE to get a PJ Brown or Kurt Thomas to compete vs the Suns now...
BUT, they don't need a backup PG like they have in the past because whoever brings the ball down will toss it in to Shaq and he'll kick it out. Between Nash, Diaw, Hill and Shaq the Suns don't need to worry about passing the ball.
What so many ppl don't seem to realize is how this should reduce the opponent offensive rebounds - hopefully significantly. As the team was, once Amare was boxed out the rest of the players were under sized and Marion was the only one would could sky to get a rebound. Blocks should go down as well because teams won't be able to run freely in the paint anymore.
Once/If Shaq is integrated and playing I'd look for those two stats to be reduced by half.
Teams out rebound the Suns simply by the offensive end. Defensive is usually fairly close.
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