Just wanted to start an official "Thank You" thread for Steve Kerr, our new BFF. He just removed PHX from the list of playoff problems for all of us in the West. Now and for the next few years, since Snaq's giant contract will cripple the franchise going forward.
Yeah yeah, I know, Marion was unhappy, but THIS is the best they could do?
A toast!
i don't think the trade is that big a deal. frankly, i am surprised at how many bball fans think this removes or hurts the suns chances of winning a le. i just don't see it that way...i think it improves it slightly.
1) its not like their running offense was ever going to beat the Spurs
2) marion was almost always shut down when the suns faced the Spurs in the playoffs
...its unlikely this team is worse off with shaq, keep dreaming people. that being said, the Spurs are still better, imo.
How does Shaq improve their chances, even slightly?
Phoenox was never a problem for the Spurs before the trade, the Spurs owned the Suns 75% of the time. Phoenix made this trade so they can be a problem for the Spurs. This trade was made for only one reason, and that is to have a better chance to beat the Spurs....period.
Theoretically, yes. Maybe 3-4 years ago it would have done that. But now? Shaq is old, slow, injury-prone, and a liability on defense because now he's gone from unwilling to defend the pick and roll to completely physically unable to do so.
I repeat, a toast to Steve Kerr!
It doesn't put them over the top, but it wasn't a horrible trade for the Suns either. And, Shaq's contract won't cripple the the Suns going forward. It's two more years and they have everyone else pretty much locked up, including Diaw and Barbosa. With Nash 34, their window is about those two years remaining on Shaq's contract. Maybe it doesn't get them past the Spurs, maybe not even the Lakers. But, neither was keeping Marion. At least now, they can do a better job of keeping Amare out of serious foul trouble and defend guys like Duncan, Boozer, and now Bynum one on one in the post. Shaq can't stop them, but guarantee he'll do a better job than what Marion would do against those guys.
yeah, Marion never hurt the spurs so Suns missing him won't really change the rivalry. Having Shaq might hurt it a little but not significantly but it could also help suns minimally again.
how it could help? it's a big body the Suns can throw in the middle whenever they want too. and this big body does have plenty playoff experience. Shaq might give the Suns some nuts as well.
so it's not a trade that took Suns out of contention. come on
shaq with a team that has confidence like the suns will make him a better player ala Gasol
Here here, a toast to Steve Kerr.
I don't think the trade effected the Spurs one way or another. Ya'll have the Suns number no matter what. But it dang sure helped the Mavs!
The only guy that could slow down Dirk was Marion and now he is gone!
And they replaced him with an Old, out of shape, poor defender, poor free throw shooting Shaq! Ha!
Can you imagine Shaq playing in last night's Phx vs. N.O. game? where Phx's top 6 guys played 40 minutes or more? Shaq would have been pronounced dead at the end of that game!
Thanks again S.K.
remains to be seen. like how will the entry of o'neal affect the overall performance of a fastbreaking team. do they get faster because of a better rebounder in o'neal or they get slower because of him? there's chemistry issues as well especially with stat wanting more touches. how's that gonna go NOW with shaq?yeah, Marion never hurt the spurs so Suns missing him won't really change the rivalry. Having Shaq might hurt it a little but not significantly but it could also help suns minimally again.
how it could help? it's a big body the Suns can throw in the middle whenever they want too. and this big body does have plenty playoff experience. Shaq might give the Suns some nuts as well.
so it's not a trade that took Suns out of contention. come on
one positive note spurs can take comfort in is that the suns are out of the free agency market for a few years unless they break up the team. (i think)
err... there seem to be a total lack of suns fans to argue for this trade.
What I like about this trade (and what Suns fans should worry about) is the style adjustment this team will have to make. They are a run-and-gun type of team, and I can't possibly see that with Shaq out there. They won't be patient enough with him in there and he can't get from one end to the other as they are accustomed to doing.
They will basically have to change the way they play at mid-season and hope it gels by playoff time. I don't see it...but who knows.
worst trade ever.
Anyone else see Shaq in the lux box at the Phoenix game last night, chowin down on some chicken wings or something.
The idea of Marion doing nothing against Spurs is just wrong.
During last playoffs, Marion has averaged 16 ppg with a 53% FG%, 10.5 rpg and 2.3 bpg against Spurs. He also played quite good defense against Parker.
Losing Marion will definitely hurt Suns what ever is their opponent.
See late 1980s LA Lakers with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar playing on a "Showtime" fast break team.
problem: shaq is no jabbar. by a mile, maybe 2 miles, at this point of their respective careers.
They'll have to add 2 seats to the Suns bench
Well try comparing him to an older Kareem then, when Kareem was 38-39. You must not recall the Showtime Lakers last two championship seasons then. See 1986-87 Lakers and 1987-88 Lakers.
they are obviously going to get way slower when Shaq is on the floor. They will obviously play or try to play halfcourt when shaq is in and they will have shaq in the paint on defense. Again. you don't need 5 guys to run the fast break, so that won't be affected.
when shaq is sitting they can play as the old suns. so they gained the ability to play 2 different ways. again, I doubt that will ba a huge advantage for them anyway. but it does not hurt.
and they will definetely miss marion.
thank you steve kerr for getting rid of your best defensive player and the only guy on the suns that had any chance of containing Dirk in the playoffs
Jinx Thread.
Thanks A-hole.
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No probs!
Shaq can't guard Tim at all. Never could.
Who said Shaq could guard Tim? I said Shaq can't stop him. But, guaranteed he'll do a better job guarding Shaq than Shawn Marion if Amare is in foul trouble and doesn't want to foul out.
It's no secret that we have been getting killed on the offensive rebounding/second chance points which is limiting the suns from running the fast break this year anyway.
Steve Kerr on the radio this morning: looking at all the playoff contenders in the west, Utah with Boozer, Lakers with Bynum, Possibly Houston with Yao and even Dallas with Dampier, San Antonio with Duncan he could not see the Suns making it through these teams in a sustained playoff run without having to use double team defense most of the time.
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