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Bit players? That's their best PG, 6th man, backup center, and a small forward who has been effective when given time. Plus 2 picks and cash apparently.
Kidd is not worth decimating your depth for.
Dang, I wish I could've posted that before TIMVP an Spurminator.
I would've looked decent
Nah man your takes are on the money in this thread.
Bit players? That's their best PG, 6th man, backup center, and a small forward who has been effective when given time. Plus 2 picks and cash apparently.
Kidd is not worth decimating your depth for.
I would love to see Thomas in silver and black...
Get a Kurt Thomas.
go to the Finals
I still would not write them off completely. They would still have Kidd, Howard, Terry and Dirk... not a bad core. But it would definetly not help them much against the Spurs.
I should retire after that compliment, thank you
All that for Kidd? While I'll agree that need help at the PG spot, not at that price. Any le run this year means going through some combination of Phoenix, SA, and the Lakers. No way do you handle those front courts with Dampier as your only real center. The two big trades helped the Suns and Lakers get bigger up front, and Dallas would respond by weakening their interior?
And as other have noted, Harris is a major league pain in the Spurs' ass and Stack's cromagnon ass seems to find his shot just in time to play us as well.
yeah, Kidd has pretty decent players in NJ and they suck. He is good but not that great.
Kidd's supporting cast in Dallas would not be much better. especially since Dirk chokes in playoffs
You guys have officially lost it.
You say matchups don't matter when I succinctly point out how the Lakers and Suns beat us player-for-player almost across the board, but now you want the Mavs to get All-Star Kidd for bit players, because you think it improves our matchups.
Incredulous.
Agreed they will be good, but their mismatches on the offensive end, wich KILLED, the Spurs, will be gone in one foul swoop.
As TIMVP said, come on Cuban, get the deal done.
No kidding there, pardon the pun.
There's no question that Kidd is a HOF PG, but is he very overrated at this point in his late career - and the guy STILL CAN"T SHOOT. Remember when the Spurs imposed their "half-court" will on him and the Nets in 2003. Parker abused Kidd in 2003 and will abuse him again, should they meet in the playoffs.
Kidd is more effective in transition if he has guys who can run with him. Yet he will make the other Mavs MUCH BETTER. Which means guys like Dirk will get shots they've hadn't seen since Nash left the building.
On the other hand, Devin Harris gives Parker and the Spurs fits. Harris is relentless in his ability to get into the paint and usually suckers the Spurs into numerous "and-1" situations. His quickness is on par with Parker.
Bottom line is this trade will benefit the Mavs in most possible matchups - except one with the Spurs.
Rewatch the 06 playoffs, and look at the mismatches the Mavericks had on the Spurs.You say matchups don't matter when I succinctly point out how the Lakers and Suns beat us player-for-player almost across the board, but now you want the Mavs to get All-Star Kidd for bit players, because you think it improves our matchups
Stackhouse couldn't be guarded because you had Howard and Nowitzki out there at one time, he scored at will on Brent Barry.
Harris drove to the hole at will because no one had a defender quick enough to stay in front of him.
Diop guards Duncan as well as anyone not named Rasheed Wallace and that showed in the 06 playoffs as well.
Come on ghost.
The Lakers and Suns have had more talent than the Spurs for like five years now. That's not exactly breaking news.
And yeah I'm guessing you missed that series in 2006. The Mavs were built to specifically beat the Spurs. If this trade happens, they will no longer be built to specifically beat the Spurs.
Heres what Dallas has done.
LA and Phoenix gets big.
dallas goes small.
Its almost like they've said "We can't beat em with bigs, lets try and outscore em"
They've gone about it the totally wrong way.
They should've gone and gotten Kurt Thomas, Udonis Haslem, or another similar big to match up.
Wrong wrong move.
Your matchup analyses are based in a vacuum where you compare players individually based on overall talent.
If you watched the Mavericks handle the Spurs the last few years you would understand why these matchups are more relevant.
Not sure how this helps NJ. Are these expiring contracts or something? Too lazy to look up.
The major available pieces are now gone. It was basically a given that Kidd was going to Dallas, and will probably help them. As everyone has said, this helps the Spurs a bit, as they seem to match up with them better. One thing people are missing, however, is that the Mavs were one of the worst teams in the league in creating assists, and this may change things quite a bit in that department.
This helps Dallas beat the Warriors.
Dallas is actually doing what Phoenix did - going all for the ring now because of the young teams rising in the West (LA, Portland).
Can't blame them for trying.
SA won't stand pat.
Diop and George are expiring according to the article.
For all Kidd's greatness, has anyone wondered why he's never won a championship? Also, why he's been virtually ushered out of every stop he's been?
Can you say OVERRATED?
IMO it helps New Jersey like I stated above.
Harris is a decent to good point guard with speed that will lead the break and can set up Vince Carter, and his speed gives matchup problems to the PGs in the east.
Diop adds a legit big man to New Jersey that they haven't had due to Kristic being hurt.
Stackhouse adds scoring off the bench on an offensive starved team.
George adds another body that can make shots and defend.
IMO New Jersey wins this trade, and becomes a tiny bit of a threat in the playoffs.
Oh man, if I wrote that I'd thought I came up with one of my better parodies of Casper's takes.
All one has to do is replace Kidd with the name of any other aging 'name' guard who made his mark last century...
Did you just allege that Parker can guard Payton?
Did you just allege that Parker can guard Nash?
etc...
they immeadiately upgrade the team a couple of grade levels.
This trade would certainly concern me less than the Gasol trade. Whats up with all that blockbuster trades this year?
I would be a lot more excited if the Spurs would make a minor trade for somebody like K. Thomas, Tyrus Thomas, Miller or Nocioni.
Stack isn't very good anymore. Its basically Kidd for Devin Harris. Harris is good but Kidd is the more experienced and better all around pg.
Good for NJ in the future. Good for Dallas now.
He wasn't their problem in 02 and 03, he played awesome in the playoffs.
His problem is the same as David Robinson's was before 99.
The team around him wasn't good enough.
Wow, did someone steal GW's iden y? I remember having more smarts than he is currently displaying. First the "Can Barry be traded because he injured" nonsense and now this. How in the is trading those players for Kidd anything but a good thing for the Spurs?
Your rational is that Kidd is a great player so by virtue of some kind of GW mathematical formula this is a trade that makes the Mavs better. Right. Aside from the assists Kidd can give out, he's a terribly streaky 35-year old shooter. That does help the Mavs at all. Not to mention they'll lose two players that have helped them greatly when they played the Spurs.
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