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given the choice between thomas or jeff foster, I guess I'd rather have kurt thomas...
Wings are a dime a dozen in this league and Udoka is still a bit raw. It's still a big man's league and big men who can walk and drink Gatorade at the same time get $30 mil contracts. There's nothing wrong with Bonner's contract and up until a month ago he was in the rotation. I'm not exactly seeing the reason for the drama here.
given the choice between thomas or jeff foster, I guess I'd rather have kurt thomas...
I agree with you in spirit, but more or less, I just don't feel this trade really improves our chances signficantly. I like what Brent brings to the table.
Maybe Elson just needs to get laid. Who knows?
Or maybe ELson is a bad player.
It is what it is.
I would jump on this trade. Kurt Thomas would give the Spurs something they sorely need, someone to help Duncan on the glass. Oberto is inconsisten and the Elson/Bonner/Horry combo seems to have all kinds of problems keeping young athletic bigmen off the glass (especially the offensive glass). Poor Tim cannot block out the entire team by himself. Also, Thomas's 15-18 footer is more reliable than any of our bigs at the moment, which would really help our pick and roll offense.
Making this deal would preclude the Spurs from signing anyone decent this summer.
And it makes us older.
Not worth it.
The Spurs don't have cap room to sign anyone anyways.
You do have Oberto and Horry who have shown themselves quite capable in big game situations, but I think having a 4th big like Thomas would be a significant improvement. Don't get me wrong, having Barry on the bench to throw in is a nice luxury. But the Spurs have been worked on the glass before and Thomas' combination of rebounding and his offensive game would fit in really well.
How so? They aren't going under the cap this summer anyways. They'll still have their MLE regardless.
So what? Elson is younger and he sucks.And it makes us older.
You mean even though Thomas wouldn't be off the books until '08-'09, that would not affect us this summer?
Correct. If his contract even lasts that long.
Horry's contract is coming off the books this summer, a fact that makes having another capable big around and available to sign/step into his role all the more important.
Not one bit.
The SPurs only have the LLE and the MLE.
Adding Kurt Thomas wouldn't do a thing.
Also this is pretty much would it would do for next year.
Duncan, Splitter, Thomas, Oberto, Bonner, Mahinmi.
The Spurs would have 6 bigs, and IMO 4 of them very good, with two wild cards.
I guess I admittedly don't get one aspect here.
Barry is attractive, because his contract comes off the books this summer.
Wouldn't we be better served to use that flexibility this summer to fill holes if we can't get a no-brainer upgrade in a trade now?
I must be missing something.
Why does this preclude us signing anyone decent in the summer. Thomas, Elson, and Barry all share one common factor. They are all expiring contracts this year...
Um, because those guys would be traded to get Thomas and his contract is not up until 2008-09, right?
With the raises in Parkers, Duncans, Manu's, and others contracts, its pretty much whiped out.Wouldn't we be better served to use that flexibility this summer
The Spurs won't go under the cap with Barry, Horry, Elson, and Finley's contracts coming off the books.
That does reduce payroll significantly though.
Barry's contract is appealing to other teams because it would allow them to extricate themselves from contracts with year(s) left on them past this season, but, of course, the Spurs would have to be willing to take on those contracts.
Somebody needs to help me clear this confusion.
The idea is to trade Barry/Elson for Thomas with Thomas' contract being up in '09, right?
Question.
See Cap, Salary.
I think the next time they would have significant cap room or a shot at it is 2010.The idea is to trade Barry/Elson for Thomas with Thomas' contract being up in '09, right?
I more than likely am wrong at that, but this trade would be for improving the bigman situation significantly, giving you someone to guard Bynum and Shaq, and making the defense and rebounding better.
Oh, man.
So if I am hearing you right, then Barry coming off the books this summer won't give us enough flexibility to sign someone good, but it just may help another team either avoid the luxury tax or make a play at a star free agent.
If this is the case and the Spurs can't make a splashier trade for a shotblocking, younger PF or an athletic, young SF, then make the trade.
K. Thomas was always known as a hardworking, classy compe or and can rebound and defend the post quite well. He's not a bad scorer and won't kill us at the line, either.
Maybe most importantly is that he will make the "right" play... he's seasoned.
That's the idea.
K. Thomas was always known as a hardworking, classy compe or and can rebound and defend the post quite well. He's not a bad scorer and won't kill us at the line, either.
Maybe most importantly is that he will make the "right" play... he's seasoned.
Now your signin my tune Ghost.
I've been wanting to trade for Kurt Thomas for a while now.
If this trade was offered, the Spurs would be nuts to turn it down.
Maybe the Spurs will be able to find a better deal with some combination of Elson and Barry, I just don't see it. I think you look at vets with a year or two remaining on their contract who would be of use to the Spurs now. Maybe a team is out there who wants to get rid of a contract so bad that they will throw in a young talent, or even a pick.
The Gasol trade, if one can make sense of it, was based on the fact that Brown's contract is expiring, thereby relieving the Grizzlies of the remaining salary on Gasol's contract. Again, the Spurs could luck out and find themselves able to land better talent than what they are sending out.
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