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Old fashioned way? Hiring an ex-spur for a coach, and then having the 2nd highest pay-roll = old fashioned way?
The Mavs' success in the latter part of this decade is primarily a result of players they have drafted.
(I'm counting Dirk as a draft pick)
Old fashioned way? Hiring an ex-spur for a coach, and then having the 2nd highest pay-roll = old fashioned way?
Well, you shouldn't, because that was a trade and you are on crack.
The Mavs biggest contributors over the past 10 years have all came via trade or free agency... Finley, Terry, Nash, Dirk, Stackhouse, Dampier, LaFrentz, etc.
The only draft pick that made a real impact was Howard.
Harris has had a nice half a year.
Try again.
Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse, Erick Dampier and Raef LaFrentz are peripheral players that are/were no more important to the Mavs than Bruce Bowen, Michael Finley, Brent Barry and Rasho/Nazr... players that were traded for or signed by the Spurs.Well, you shouldn't, because that was a trade and you are on crack.
The Mavs biggest contributors over the past 10 years have all came via trade or free agency... Finley, Terry, Nash, Dirk, Stackhouse, Dampier, LaFrentz, etc.
The only draft pick that made a real impact was Howard.
Harris has had a nice half a year.
Try again.
Finley and Nash did nothing for the Mavs before Dirk came into his own as the team's best player. And don't play dumb... Dirk was, for all intents and purposes, drafted by the Mavs just as Barbosa was basically drafted by the Suns.
The Mavs would have gone nowhere without their draft picks. Just like the Spurs.
Nash was hurt and ineffective his first two years in Dallas, but you couldn't be more wrong about Michael Finley. Just because we didn't win doesn't mean he didn't produce for us. People forget just how good he was in his prime, definitely among the top swingmen in the League.
Finley put up some good numbers but he was a third option playing top dog.
Since we're talking about how trades have translated into victories, I stand by what I said. The trades for Nash and Finley would not have meant much if they hadn't gotten an MVP-calibur player via the Draft.
Wrong.
Dirk was a trade.
Nash and Finley were their 2nd and 3rd best during their rise to prominence. Both were replaced via trades and free agency.
Who besides Josh Howard had a real impact for them via the draft?
Finley in his prime was great. It's not his fault he was stuck playing with Eric Strickland and Gary Trent.
+1 Finley was a ing stud when Jim Cleamons was still the coach.
Technically, but he was only a trade because Milwaukee wanted Dallas to draft Robert Traylor for them. If not for a deal helping out the Bucks, Dallas would have taken Dirk with that pick.
No, the rules prohibit teams from trading draft picks. Dirk was their pick, and they picked Robert Traylor for Milwaukee and got Pat Garrity for their trouble (which they traded for Nash IIRC). If you don't think Dirk was a Donn Nelson scouting find then you are as stupid as your trade suggestions.
He definitely helped salvage the original Kidd trade, and he was always a much better dude, character-wise, than Kidd.
Yep, he's the reason I was excited about the Kidd trade because of the way he played D on Jordan when he was a rookie. Fin was a of a defender once upon a time.
Najera was a decent rotation guy for a while. Every team needs a jack of all trades do the dirty work type. I think he could've been better but he's always had durability issues.
I HATED the trade initially, I didn't realize how much of an at ude problem Kidd had and how immature he was. All I knew was that Kidd was a HOF talent and you don't trade those guys away lightly. The stories about what a bag he was didn't seem to trickle out until later. Roy Tarpley and Quinn Buckner tested my faith as a fan, but that trade was really tough at first. Good thing Fin played his part in turning things around.
No.
Dirk was not their pick.
Nowitzki was drafted ninth overall by the Milwaukee Bucks in the 1998 NBA Draft and was immediately traded to the Mavericks, where he has been playing ever since.
And Josh Howard is the only bonafide draft pick to really contribute to the Mavs success.
For a second round pick, we got quite the impact from Najera. He was in our rotation for three years and got valuable minutes even in the playoffs. Not a superstar or anything, but just saying...
Dirk was drafted by the Bucks for the Mavs in a prearranged deal. Without that deal it's very likely the Mavs would have drafted Dirk at number 6.
Don't play dumb.
Nash and Finley were a supporting cast for Dirk in their rise to prominence. The Spurs have had plenty of supporting players who were acquired via trade or free agency. Like the Mavs' moves, they wouldn't have meant anything without a HOF draft pick.
Devin Harris and Marquis Daniels were key players to the Mavs 2006 Finals run. Combined with Dirk and Howard, that means four to the Mavs top six players that year were acquired via the Draft.
Get a grip.
A trade is a trade.
Don't twist the truth to fit your non-argument.
And to suggest Harris and Daniels have had as much an impact on the Mavs' success as Nash and Finely is just plain wrong.
Give it up.
Outside of Josh Howard, the Mavs build through trades and free agency.
Not two lottery balls, veteran contracts and waivers.
How many minutes did Nash and Finley play for the 2006 Western Conference Champion Mavs?And to suggest Harris and Daniels have had as much an impact on the Mavs' success as Nash and Finely is just plain wrong.
How does the Dirk "trade" in any way resemble the trades you have been advocating on this board for the last two weeks?Get a grip.
A trade is a trade.
Don't twist the truth to fit your non-argument.
How about in the first round last year?
Nash and Finely were All-Stars for the Mavs and helped them get to the playoffs all those years.
You aren't serious, are you?
Marquis Daniels?
Devin Harris?
Over Nash and Finley?
How about Terry and Stackhouse?
You are funny.
The Nash/Finley Mavericks lost in the first round too. They also missed the Playoffs. What's your point? What was the most successful Mavs team of all time? Were Nash and Finley on that team?
How about in the first round last year?
Nash and Finely were All-Stars for the Mavs and helped them get to the playoffs all those years.
You aren't serious, are you?
Marquis Daniels?
Devin Harris?
Over Nash and Finley?
How about Terry and Stackhouse?
You are funny.
Nnnnnnope. The best Mavs team was built primarily through the Draft. It was four Mavs draft picks plus Terry and Stackhouse. And I'll match your Terry and Stackhouse with the Spurs' Finley and Bowen.
Really, if Ghost is going to stick to his definition of a draft day acquisition being a trade, then Devin Harris wouldn't count anyway because he was "technically" drafted by the Wizards.
And to be honest, that was more of a trade than the Dirk deal because it was actually part of a package involving current NBA players.
Nah, man.
You can't discount the team's rise to prominence for the one year they slip past a crippled Spurs team in a Game 7 OT.
Fvcking Harris and Daniels didn't even start for that team!
And Dirk was not drafted by the Mavericks!
Terry and Stackhouse were trades. No one wanted Bowen and Finley was waived by guess who?
Spurm, do you really think the Mavs owe their success to the fvcking draft?
Unbelievable.
Yes, and so do you.Spurm, do you really think the Mavs owe their success to the fvcking draft?
Unbelievable.
Without the Dirk pick, would the Mavs have ever been among the NBA elite?
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