True but i think the tragedy surrounding his death had something to do with his induction.
I'm not sure that's entirely true -- I think Petrovic's induction was the product of a prolific resume developed in international play. His Yugoslavian teams were very much like Manu's Argentian teams. Petrovic won 3 Olympic medals: bronze and 2 silvers. He also won a World Championship in 1990 and his team finished 3rd in 1986 (he was the MVP of the 1986 tournament).
I'm not sure that was just a sympathy enshrinement.
on an NBA standpoint, maybe. on basketball in general, yes.
Nique never played in even one Finals. I don't know if he even made a conference finals. If you're upset that announcers haven't referred to Manu as a HOFer, you have to remember that all the talking heads are complete idiots and aren't even aware that the HOF isn't the NBA HOF but rather the Basketball HOF. They let women's coaches, international coaches, and numerous international players that have never even played in the NBA into this thing.
Manu is in, it's a lock. He could retire tomorrow and he'd be in. The interesting case will be Tony. He'll have as many NBA rings as Manu, but virtually no international resume as he's barely played for his country or abroad and had no success on that stage.
It is a joke, right?
Yes of course, no one had mastered national leagues, european league, Olympics and NBA rigns ... the only MVP he didn't conquered yet is NBA ... (well 2005 is still fresh)
Manu is already knocking the door to HOF.
Drazen Petrovic was the best european basketball player.
The question is not IF but WHEN Ginobili will be named.
Parker is another sure bet, provided that he wins somethng with France.
He's Manu Ginobili.
I don't know if they (who is they?) vote for international players in a separate category. If so, he's probably in.
But it's a damn shame he won't have a long string of NBA All-star designations behind his name due to splitting votes with Parker & Duncan and coming off the bench and his age.
Manu to Hall of Fame is a lock
good luck with that. French players are good, athletic and young but non have any mental toughness or high bball IQ.
yes.
Manu does not get inducted in the HOF, the HOF beggs Manu to accept being an inductee.
Oooppss . . . wrong thread . . .!
the question is "when"
The real question is why he is not already in
That's like asking can Dwight Howard dunk!!!!
International Players in the HOF (I might have missed one or two).
Sergei Belov, Russia
Soviet National Team, World Championship, 1967, 1974
Soviet National Team, European Championship, 1967, 1969
Olympic Gold Medal, 1972
Kresimi Cosic, Croatia
All American, Brigham Young, 1972-73
Olympic Gold Medal, 1980
Gold Medal, World Championship, 1970, 1978
3 European Club Championships
Drazen Dalipagic, Yugoslavia
European Player of the Year, 1977, 1978, 1980
Olympic Gold Medal, 1980
Gold Medal, World Championships of Basketball, 1978
Gold Medal, European Championships, 1973, 1975, 1977
Dino Meneghin, Italy
Named by Gigante del Basket as the greatest player in European history, 1991
European Championship, 1983
National Team Records for most games played (271) and most points (2,947)
Drazen Petrovic, Croatia
Olympic Silver Medal, 1988 and 1992
Gold Medal, World Championship, 1990
Croatian Sportsman of the Year, 1985, 1986, 1988
All NBA 3rd Team, 1993
The question isn't "could Manu make the hall of fame".. The question should be " How could he not be in the HOF?
He's extremely accomplished and is leaving and certainly will have left his mark on the NBA by the time he retires. Multiple league, world and olympic les is awesome nowadays with international compe ion so stiff. I would hope he'd get in, yes.
There are 4 "screening committees" for the Hall of Fame: one for North American men, one for women, one for international players, and one for veterans (whose careers ended at least 35 years ago or more). The screening committees consist of 7 members (but the North American men's committee consists of 9 members) and a potential inductee must get the votes of 5 of those 7 to be passed along to the Honors Committee. The international committee can pass along as many as 2 candidates every year.
If the international committee passes along a player, that nomination is sent to the Honors Committee (if the Board of Trustees approves the nomination). There are apparently 4 Honors committees consisting of 24 members each, but there are 12 people who sit on all 4 committees. Thus, there are 12 general members on the international committee and 12 specialists on that committee. To gain enshrinement in the Hall, a nominee must get 18 of the 24 votes from the particular Honors committee to which his nomination was sent.
I'd think it's extremely likely that Manu's nomination will come through the international committee (though it could come through the North American committee if his play in North America warranted that -- Dirk Nowitzki, for instance, might be nominated in that fashion). That puts him into a somewhat different posture than other NBA players in terms of his chances for enshrinement and I would think those chances are greatly enhanced by virtue of the fact that he'll be considered by a committee that will give a great deal of weight to his international performances and will pitch his case in terms of his being the dominant international player of this era.
Yes, but will the Spurs retire his number?
(kidding, of course)
Tangent - I'd like to see a list of these players that have at least 3 rings that aren't/won't be in the Hall of Fame. Kukoc, Horry, Kerr...I can't imagine there being that many more though I could be forgetting some. There's Rodman, though I think he should be in the HOF discussion at least.
Rodman that is a great one right there, he is not in the HOF and likely won't get in thanks to his lousy rep but his stats and of course his rings all 5 of them should be more than enough to get him in but he probably will never get there. Horry is another one, that has been debated since he has 7 rings as a role player. Remember during the last 2 finals he was in that was a big debate and most people said NO he is not going to get in. I guess Manu's international acclaim will put him over the top, which is great as i feel he deserves it.
Only players to win Olympic gold and multiple NBA championships:
MJ
Magic
Hakeem
Shaq
DRob
Pippen
Ginobili
and Manu is the only player to do that without the "dream team"
end of thread.
If Bill Walton got into the Hall of Fame based on his college accomplishments (I guess), then Gino should be able to get in based on his international accomplishments and NBA accomplishments.
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