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    His laziness, inability to read pick-n-rolls, and complete lethargy in rotating on defense is one of the main reasons guys like Amare absolutely rape the Mavericks.

    Now Dirk/Bass is no solution at center. Neither of them have Damp's strength. But to call Dampier a big reason this team is improved on defense is just ignorant. Dirk's defensive improvement, along with the additions of Howard & Devin Harris, and Avery's defensive emphasis were the biggest factors.
    Please tell me which other big center type, like Damp, has succesfully defended the Nash and Amare pick and roll? Damp always tries his best against them, but sometimes it's impossible to do anything. And a lot of it has to do with coaching. We get confused on pick and rolls involving everyone, not only Damp. We switch too much.

    Josh and Devin were still on this team, and when Damp leaves our defense always takes a huge hit. That is the main evidence of how much he impacts our D. Wasn't Damp the second guy in +/- for the Mavs last year? That stat is often misleading, but it does show some thing.

    Damp is just your scapegoat I think. I don't care how much he makes, I love him on this team. And for all the sadness you saw for Diop leaving, if Damp had left without a proper center coming back, you would have seen a rebellion from Mavs fans.

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    So, is it a good thing that everyone thinks I'm a man?
    I never know whether I should take it as a compliment or not.
    in sports discussions, that is always a compliment.

    in day-to-day life situations... its not very flattering.

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    in sports discussions, that is always a compliment.

    in day-to-day life situations... its not very flattering.
    It only happens here on ST.
    I've never been mistaken for a man in person.

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    His giant contract also makes him virtually untouchable in most trade scenarios. Not only is it a bad contract, but it's an albatross.

    If he keeps playing motivated, I think he's valuable to the team.
    we are going for it with this group until 2010. That is when most contracts expire. We are not trading him, because we need him. As I said, flexibility is not needed at this point for us. Cuban could care less. He is throwing all the money he needs for this two year window we have. After that, the major rebuilding starts.

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    It only happens here on ST.
    I've never been mistaken for a man in person.
    Thats a good thing. lol

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    In the first half I was across the aisle from some annoying 8-year-old fetus that clapped those thundersticks together incessantly. Whoever invented thundersticks should be hunted for sport.
    I was the 8-year-old fetus with the thundersticks. Mono is wrong again.

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    As for Dampier... I agree with mono that some Mavs fans tend to give him a little too much credit, but at the same time, mono doesnt give him enough credit.

    He may not be amazingly great or anything, but come on mono... who would you rather have taking up space in the middle? Guys like Shawn Bradley and Evan Eshmeyer? He is definitely an improvement defensively and people are far less likely to drive on him, as opposed to Bradley. His presence does make a difference whether he is playing motivated or not.

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    He is definitely an improvement defensively and people are far less likely to drive on him, as opposed to Bradley. His presence does make a difference whether he is playing motivated or not.
    Dwyane Wade was really frightened by the mere presence of Erick Dampier.

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    Dwyane Wade was really frightened by the mere presence of Erick Dampier.
    And Shawn Bradley would have made any difference?

    In fact, the way Wade was hitting EVERYTHING that series, I don't think there was a big man in the league that could have made a difference. Ben Wallace surely didn't in the series prior.

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    Dwyane Wade was really frightened by the mere presence of Erick Dampier.
    Wade didn't need to be frightened. He got the calls while being 10 feet away from the basket at time.

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    Dwyane Wade was really frightened by the mere presence of Erick Dampier.
    You always take things to the extreme.

    (I need to put some pink in my post to match my pink mavs jersey)

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    Wade didn't need to be frightened. He got the calls while being 10 feet away from the basket at time.
    Yeah that was it. The refs cheated us.

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    And Shawn Bradley would have made any difference?
    I don't remember Mavs fans ever valiantly defending Shawn Bradley for his ability to set picks.

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    I don't remember Mavs fans ever valiantly defending Shawn Bradley for his ability to set picks.
    Okay, what does that have to do with anything?

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    Okay, what does that have to do with anything?
    Why bring Shawn Bradley up at all like anybody thought he was special?

    Dampier is better than nothing. Great. I'm glad we've been paying 10 million a year for "better than nothing".

    What pisses me off most about Dampier is the obvious difference in when he's putting forth effort and when he isn't. It's incredible. He's a huge asset when he gives a . And for the salary he's getting, he ought to give a more than 15 games a year.

    And just like Kidd's enthusiasm is infectious, you don't think Dampier's lack of commitment didn't affect the team in years past?

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    Yeah that was it. The refs cheated us.
    No, Avery made some dumbass decisions, in slowing the game down, not playing Quis against their zone, and most importantly for doubling Shaq when Damp was holding his own quite well actually when in fact the defensive attention had to be turned to Wade. Avery also lost his cool a lot after game 4, and that's not a good sign to a team.

    But however people try to spin it, and I try to do it to myself as well, we are two VERY VERY bad calls (on the back of a lot of other bad calls) at the end of games 5 and 6 from having a ring.

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    And just like Kidd's enthusiasm is infectious, you don't think Dampier's lack of commitment didn't affect the team in years past?
    No



    Kidd is the second most important player on the Mavs, Damp is 4th or 5th.

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    No



    Kidd is the second most important player on the Mavs, Damp is 4th or 5th.
    That explains why everybody loved having Darrell Armstrong for his locker room influence. Because he was the second most important player on the team.

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    Why bring Shawn Bradley up at all like anybody thought he was special?
    Never said he was. Just said that Damp is an improvement, and has helped anchor this defense some, whether you want to admit it or not.

    Dampier is better than nothing. Great. I'm glad we've been paying 10 million a year for "better than nothing".
    I agree that he is vastly overpaid. Never said he wasn't.

    What pisses me off most about Dampier is the obvious difference in when he's putting forth effort and when he isn't. It's incredible. He's a huge asset when he gives a . And for the salary he's getting, he ought to give a more than 15 games a year.
    Never disagreed with that either.

    And just like Kidd's enthusiasm is infectious, you don't think Dampier's lack of commitment didn't affect the team in years past?
    Who knows? They still got to the finals, and their problem has never been having a lazy at ude, so I don't know if it was a very infectious at ude, the way Kidd's has been.

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    I think the fans liked SuperSpare. He hardly made any influence on the games. Hey, the Mavs are a likable bunch. Clearely people like being in that lockerr room and it brings out the best of people very often. But just because they are likeable guys it doesn't make their at ude important to the team.
    For further evidence see Daniels, Marquis; Harris, Devin; Diop, DeSagana; and also Johnson, Avery (03 summer trade that sent him to GS for Jamison).

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    I still don't get why his contract is important, since he is not getting traded before 2010, when all of the contracts are set to expire anyway.

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    For further evidence see Daniels, Marquis
    His game was frustrating, but I never understood giving up on Marquis. He fell into Avery's doghouse and never got out. He's all messed up now in Indiana thanks to The Steven Jackson School For Handgun & Strip Club Etiquette, but I think that guy could have been a very valuable player for this team if he continued to develop here. He's a better slasher than anybody we have right now.

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    I still don't get why his contract is important, since he is not getting traded before 2010, when all of the contracts are set to expire anyway.
    I guess you didn't get the memo. Mono pays Damps salary.

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    I guess you didn't get the memo. Mono pays Damps salary.
    Notice the strong points this guy makes. He really pays attention to the Mavericks, that's why he offers so much insight.

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    His game was frustrating, but I never understood giving up on Marquis. He fell into Avery's doghouse and never got out. He's all messed up now in Indiana thanks to The Steven Jackson School For Handgun & Strip Club Etiquette, but I think that guy could have been a very valuable player for this team if he continued to develop here. He's a better slasher than anybody we have right now.
    I'll agree with you there. Ranks up there as one of the worst decisions the Mavs made. It was Avery being to stronheaded to have it any other way. His slashing could have won us the series against Miami, as game 6 proved, and he was an athlete we could have put against GS. He was never going to be a star in the league, but he fit in so well with the Mavs. Dirk, Josh, all liked the kid a lot.

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