All terra, all time: dubya's DoJ fails to convict "Liberty City Seven"

[xrayzebra]

Ray, you are an odd, odd man. I am curious as to what makes you tick. Why are you afraid of other cultures or people from other countries? If there is a substantial reason for your distaste, perhaps you can teach us so that we may all can learn.

Well, strange you state that. I spent many years in
other cultures and people of other lands. And enjoyed
it. The strange thing I always find about people like you
is that you are so quick to judge. And the really funny part
of your sense of reasoning is that you don't understand that
all cultures have their prejudices. You have already
judge me and formed a prejudice, although you will
deny that. I too have formed an opinion, right, wrong,
or indifferent. But you do twek my interest because you
work in a field, I think, that I would love to find out more
about.

I spent many years in other countries. I observed my
country from that point of view. I spoke and defended
our country, political and otherwise. I don't say this from
a "bragging" point, but as a fact.

And yes I am an old fart. So What! Experience is not a
good teacher? I think it serves it's purpose. I am a
conservative in the the true sense of the word. I think
our country was built on traditional values and as we
destroy them we destroy what made us great.

Bigoted, maybe in some ways. But you are not the one
to judge me, because you have no idea who I am. Nor
should I judge you. I just don't agree with the ideas you
have shown on this forum. Prejudice I am in many ways.
But so are you. You have shown it and proven it. But that
is nature. It is nothing to be ashamed of.

Like Joe said, he was made fun of because he had the
name of Jose. But even though I differ with him on his
political views, I think Joe is more than like a good family
man and with strong family ties. I like him and enjoy
sharing views with him. So there! Stick it you ear.

What makes me tick. Time. And the alternative isn't
just that great. And curiosity. Which obviously makes
you tick too. Otherwise you wouldn't be chasing those
little thing-my-jigs in the Lab.

[rasho8]

In almost every case, the root cause is the same, regardless of skin color. It is an irrational fear of another person due to their culture. Phenotypic features only help to identify someone from this other culture. Are you actually arguing that xenophobia is somehow less offensive than racism?

Xenophobia: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries
Racism: hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Prejudice: unreasonable feelings, opinions, or at udes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

The root cause is still the same. Prejudice from unreasonable at udes to another group.

I am surprised to not only find someone admit that they were prejudiced, but to have someone defend that position. Unbelievable.

I never said Xenophobia was any worse/better than racism. I said they were different.

Whats insulting is you assume I am defending someone when I am correcting your inability to accept his faults. And then you don't even bother to read what I write, you assume I am supporting xenophobia.

Thats sad and you need to check your preconceptions at the door when talking politics.

The reason people have so much trouble is if I say I am a Republican, you will hear what you want to hear me say regardless of what I ACTUALLY say. As proven in this thread.

[some_user86]

I never said Xenophobia was any worse/better than racism. I said they were different.

Whats insulting is you assume I am defending someone when I am correcting your inability to accept his faults. And then you don't even bother to read what I write, you assume I am supporting xenophobia.

Thats sad and you need to check your preconceptions at the door when talking politics.

The reason people have so much trouble is if I say I am a Republican, you will hear what you want to hear me say regardless of what I ACTUALLY say. As proven in this thread.

You're right. I assumed the worse, and that was wrong.

I guess that makes me slightly hypocritical? Or I was just having an off-day.

If you were just trying to correct me, then I guess you're right. I jumped the gun.

[some_user86]

Well, strange you state that. I spent many years in
other cultures and people of other lands. And enjoyed
it. The strange thing I always find about people like you
is that you are so quick to judge. And the really funny part
of your sense of reasoning is that you don't understand that
all cultures have their prejudices. You have already
judge me and formed a prejudice, although you will
deny that. I too have formed an opinion, right, wrong,
or indifferent. But you do twek my interest because you
work in a field, I think, that I would love to find out more
about.

I spent many years in other countries. I observed my
country from that point of view. I spoke and defended
our country, political and otherwise. I don't say this from
a "bragging" point, but as a fact.

And yes I am an old fart. So What! Experience is not a
good teacher? I think it serves it's purpose. I am a
conservative in the the true sense of the word. I think
our country was built on traditional values and as we
destroy them we destroy what made us great.

Bigoted, maybe in some ways. But you are not the one
to judge me, because you have no idea who I am. Nor
should I judge you. I just don't agree with the ideas you
have shown on this forum. Prejudice I am in many ways.
But so are you. You have shown it and proven it. But that
is nature. It is nothing to be ashamed of.

Like Joe said, he was made fun of because he had the
name of Jose. But even though I differ with him on his
political views, I think Joe is more than like a good family
man and with strong family ties. I like him and enjoy
sharing views with him. So there! Stick it you ear.

What makes me tick. Time. And the alternative isn't
just that great. And curiosity. Which obviously makes
you tick too. Otherwise you wouldn't be chasing those
little thing-my-jigs in the Lab.

You yourself said you were xenophobic. My first statement was designed more as a side-swipe. I was surprised when you actually admitted it.

I think this nation was founded on a tremendous merging of ideals. And the reason why it has continuously succeeded is because it continues to take the best of other cultures and blends it with its own unique set of values. We are a constantly evolving culture. So, the idea of "traditional" values, I believe, is anti-thetical to the basis of this country. Even the definition of traditional values is continuously changing. I follow what I consider to be traditional values. But are those the same values that existed 40 years ago? No. My traditional values and your traditional values wouldn't coincide either. It's the reason why I prefer not to tell people how to live their lives. It might slip out every once in a while when I am peeved about something else (like I was over the weekend).

But, as to your earlier question, you stated yourself that you were xenophobic. And I am all the more surprised to hear that you spent time immersed in other cultures, and yet you would still admit that. You never found anything in those other countries that you found unique and that you adapted as your own? It is that ability to discern a tradition or value from another culture into our own that makes America the country it is. We are an accepting people. You'll find that only a small sliver of the population is pure-blood from the original colonial days. Most of us have some post-revolution immigrant blood in us. And those immigrants most definitely came from a different culture and from different values than the original colonials. So, I don't understand how accepting new immigrants now can hurt the country.

[rasho8]

You're right. I assumed the worse, and that was wrong.

I guess that makes me slightly hypocritical? Or I was just having an off-day.

If you were just trying to correct me, then I guess you're right. I jumped the gun.

Now we can start with a clean slate and actually listen to each other next time around