Being sore losers, DoJ deports a non-criminal after he lived in USA crime-free for 20 years.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030208Y.shtml
What bunch of ing incompetent bullying goons.
My heart bulges with pride and my spirit soars like an American Eagle every time dubya's Exec does something brilliant and noble for America and its ideals.
Last edited by boutons_; 03-02-2008 at 04:25 PM.
Yeah thats a little jacked up.
Guy should be free to lvie here still, but fi they feel they have compellgin reasons to get rid of him... well thats their reasoning.
Oh and btw,not EVERY decision made by the DoJ crosses the presidents desk. You're kind of a moron for thinking that EVERYTHING that happnes, IRS, DoJ, the Fed, hinges on Bush's every command.
I dont think he has time for, nor does he really care about this guy or Obama's Christian church.
My dislike for President Bush aside, this effort stinks of poor loser-dom. The feds thought they had a case against this guy, presented their evidence, and lost. Now, based on charges that they couldn't prove in a criminal context, they want to send away a man who was otherwise living in the United States legally. The government couldn't prove that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of those charges, so now it wants to take on a lesser legal burden to at least run the guy out of the country. If you're an alien who is suspected of a crime -- a crime that cannot be proven -- just pack up your bags because DOJ is going to try to get rid of you one way or another, even if they're the only ones who believe that you've done anything wrong.
How could Lyglenson Lemorin have lived crime free here that long? Did he have a current visa? How did he work? Without a visa permitting him to work, at a minimum, he committed ID theft.
Just because they don't list other crimes, doesn't mean he didn't commit any. They often don't try people for these crimes. They don't have to waste the time and money. If he was here illegally, that alone even is crime enough!
Actually he had a green card. He was legally here and naturalized from what the reports said.
Caught in the middle is Lemorin, a father of two, a Haitian immigrant who came here as a child and is a permanent legal resident of the United States.
Yep I find it exceedingly strange that we are not give all
the facts in this wonderful post boutons makes reference
to.
You would think reading it that the man is pure as the
driven snow and the government couldn't prove jack.
But somehow they think they have enough to send him
back from whence he came.
Almost like the guy here in San Antonio who claims to
be an American, with all do ents to prove it, that
the government is sending to Mexico. Of course he
claimed he was an illegal upteen times to get out of
crimes committed by being voluntarily returning to
Mexico and then coming back into the U.S. using some
kind of do entation.
He was legally naturalized with a green card. You got caught in your own xenophobic predispositions.
Who was legally naturalized. Xenophobic? Is that good
or bad?
Lets see, the administrative branch of government wants
to send him back and ask the judicial to approve. If they
do approve two out of three aint bad.
And I am xenophobic.
We always know how you stand. So you don't count.
I've never had anyone admit to me that they were racist before. Wow.
Xenophobia is not racism. You can be white and be xenophobic about white people. It just means you do not like immigrants and aliens.
Xenophobia is fear of any outside culture or being.
In almost every case, the root cause is the same, regardless of skin color. It is an irrational fear of another person due to their culture. Phenotypic features only help to identify someone from this other culture. Are you actually arguing that xenophobia is somehow less offensive than racism?
Xenophobia: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries
Racism: hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Prejudice: unreasonable feelings, opinions, or at udes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
The root cause is still the same. Prejudice from unreasonable at udes to another group.
I am surprised to not only find someone admit that they were prejudiced, but to have someone defend that position. Unbelievable.
Last edited by some_user86; 03-02-2008 at 09:38 PM.
Gee, you love all people. What a guy.
There are a lot of people I don't like. Yeah, might say
prejudice. Guess everyone cant be like you and like/love
everyone, well except me, so guess that makes you
prejudice, right?
You are so full of it and yourself.
I never said I like all individuals. But, yeah, I don't try to make generalizations about all cultures based on ideas that border on delusional. Like, for example, I wouldn't like to say all white Christians are murdering, raping, fear mongers who exploit the wealth of other cultures. Now, that thought may flash across my mind every so often when I meet a person predisposed to xenophobic or racist thoughts such as yourself. I mean, what better to fight prejudice than to become prejudiced yourself, right? But, no, I don't let those type of thoughts take control over me. Because if I did that, you see, I might miss out on the vast majority of white Christians who are not murdering, raping, fear mongers that exploit the wealth of our cultures. And I would bet that more than 80% of whites in America have a good, clean heart that is accepting of other cultures and traditions. So, no, I don't let minorities like yourself cloud my thoughts with prejudice.Gee, you love all people. What a guy.
There are a lot of people I don't like. Yeah, might say
prejudice. Guess everyone cant be like you and like/love
everyone, well except me, so guess that makes you
prejudice, right?
You are so full of it and yourself.
Prejudice is act of making generalization and assumptions without basing on actual experience. I think have experienced enough of you to understand at least some of your at udes. Can't say I know you that well. But your posts convey more than enough experience for me to gain a somewhat slight understanding of you. I would hesitate to apply any generalizations that flash across my brain to you concretely, though. I don't know you that well.
Oh, look... silly me. I just fed a troll.
Last edited by some_user86; 03-02-2008 at 11:05 PM.
Well, I missed part of the first article till now, but naturalized is wrong. That means citizenship, yet he is not a citizen. He is a "permanent legal resident" which does give him legal and judicial rights he wouldn't otherwise have, and the right to work. This status was granted to him in 1996. Before that, was he here legally, or illegally? I will assume legally as a refugee.
What they are doing is the same thing that OJ got. OJ was found not guilty in a murder trial that required a different burden of proof than civil law does. This action is no less fair than what OJ Simpson got. To argue for Lemorin to be set free would be the same as saying OJ should have never been found guilty in civil court, since he was found innocent in the murder trial.
Consider this. A legal resident alien for 20 years? Part of the dislike for him is likely that he didn't achieve citizenship. His allegiance to the USA is far more in question than if he was a citizen. They wouldn't be able to deport him except in rare cases where granted citizenship can be revoked.
And I can tell you never make judgements either. I
can tell by your little lecture. I would love to talk to
you in say fifty years.
You are such a silly little twerp with such a small mind.
But a good dimm-o-crap I would guess.
Just to aggravate you I guess. I really never thought about
it one way or the other. But I would guess it is because I
have my font enlarged somewhat and it makes the box
smaller I type in. Really simple explanation, but I like
the other one better. Just to aggravate you......
That's brilliant.
What's going to happen to me in 50 years? I am gonna suddenly become a racist old fogey making judgement calls on random internet posters?
Of course I make judgements. But I try to stop and re-evaluate my position to see if I am right or wrong and to determine why I made that judgement. I would hate to see what I have become the day that I let my stubborn pride prevent me from seeing the reality of a person based on my own contrived generalizations of another culture.
I am absolutely offended that you would call me a Democrat (just as I would be equally offended that you would call me a Republican). I am not into the partisan crap that you seem to enjoy. Kinda hard to put labels on someone when they don't fit your preconceived notions, right?
Now if you'll excuse me, I am heading out to the lab. My plasmids don't make judgement calls on me.
You have the absolute right to be offended. And I haveThat's brilliant.
What's going to happen to me in 50 years? I am gonna suddenly become a racist old fogey making judgement calls on random internet posters?
Of course I make judgements. But I try to stop and re-evaluate my position to see if I am right or wrong and to determine why I made that judgement. I would hate to see what I have become the day that I let my stubborn pride prevent me from seeing the reality of a person based on my own contrived generalizations of another culture.
I am absolutely offended that you would call me a Democrat (just as I would be equally offended that you would call me a Republican). I am not into the partisan crap that you seem to enjoy. Kinda hard to put labels on someone when they don't fit your preconceived notions, right?
Now if you'll excuse me, I am heading out to the lab. My plasmids don't make judgement calls on me.
the absolute right to not care if you are offended.
Not into partisan crap. Guess that means you take no
stand on anything except your judgement of others.
What a guy. A guy with with a mind like a clean slate,
well almost.
And about you in fifty years. Naw, you want be much
of anything, just taking care of those plasmids that
don't make judgement calls, I would guess. But
strangely plasmids do make choices, it seems.
Plasmids can be considered to be independent life-forms similar to viruses, since both are capable of autonomous replication in suitable (host) environments. However the plasmid-host relationship tends to be more symbiotic than parasitic (although this can also occur for viruses, for example with Endoviruses), since plasmids can endow their hosts with useful packages of DNA to assist mutual survival in times of severe stress. For example, plasmids can convey antibiotic resistance to host bacteria, who may then survive along with their life-saving guests who are carried along into future host generations.
So be careful when you work with them......
Oh, and does it appear I selected you at random. Sorry,
I left that impression. Because it isn't true. I did
select you and not at random.
That's beyond asinine. The government brought charges against him that it couldn't prove. Rather than simply let the man go about his life, the government should, instead, find a way to diminish it's burden and seek to nevertheless impose some sort of punishment -- essentially as a way to save face. There are substantive difference between those who feel that they've been injured by the acts of another seeking civil recompense after a criminal acquittal and a governmental agency seeking a secondary, quasi-criminal remedy after it was unable to prove its case in a criminal trial. Essentially, the government wants a second bite at the apple as to a man who was found not guilty. In OJ's case, there were different parties making different arguments and advancing entirely different legal theories in their effort to get an entirely different remedy. That's not true in Lemorin's case -- the arguments are the same, only now the government might have a slightly more favorable burden.
This is absurd persecution. OJ's case was proper remediation.
Nice assumptions. Suppose that he applied for citizenship tomorrow, wouldn't all of those arguments fall apart.
You seem to believe that just because the guy was suspected of participating in a terror plot -- one that could not be proven -- that he must have actually been doing just that and that he's not guilty merely because the government's burden was too high. I'd suggest that when jurors come out and are unequivocal about their belief that there was no proof to support a conviction of this guy, it's more than likely that he actually wasn't participating in the supposed terror plot. More than that, I don't think the fact that he was suspected supports deportation; nor do I assume that all long-term resident aliens who don't apply for citizenship are somehow anti-American.
who's your ghost writer, ray? wiki word for word?
all of these thoughts are lost in the "wild coma court of justice".
Don't you think it is possible they took my words......
Yeah, it is wiki, so what! I didn't claim them as my words
and wiki is not necessarily anyone persons words to begin
with. Even you could post there. I was just trying to
be a little bit fic ious. Okay, give me a break. damn!
Had some free time here at the lab... I saw clambake's post, and yeah, that had to be the most brilliant copy and paste job I have ever seen. Also shows that you can't trust wikipedia for all your information. That has to be the most bizzare and incorrect summaries I've ever read of plasmid biotechnology. Would one consider any piece of DNA that can be exploits replication techniques of a cell as a living organism? I don't think so.You have the absolute right to be offended. And I have
the absolute right to not care if you are offended.
Not into partisan crap. Guess that means you take no
stand on anything except your judgement of others.
What a guy. A guy with with a mind like a clean slate,
well almost.
And about you in fifty years. Naw, you want be much
of anything, just taking care of those plasmids that
don't make judgement calls, I would guess. But
strangely plasmids do make choices, it seems.
Plasmids can be considered to be independent life-forms similar to viruses, since both are capable of autonomous replication in suitable (host) environments. However the plasmid-host relationship tends to be more symbiotic than parasitic (although this can also occur for viruses, for example with Endoviruses), since plasmids can endow their hosts with useful packages of DNA to assist mutual survival in times of severe stress. For example, plasmids can convey antibiotic resistance to host bacteria, who may then survive along with their life-saving guests who are carried along into future host generations.
So be careful when you work with them......
Oh, and does it appear I selected you at random. Sorry,
I left that impression. Because it isn't true. I did
select you and not at random.
I suppose if one doesn't go along partisan lines, in your mind, that person can't stand for anything? Really? How about that the two party system doesn't serve the need of the people. Most of us pick the party of least evil, but both, are in essence evil. How can any self-respecting fiscal conservative, such as myself, call themself a Republican, when the last three Republican administrations have shown no such fiscal responsibility? Of course, the Democrats do no better most of the time, but at least they have one recent administration that managed to balance the budget. The Democrats! No, there is no viable party for independents like me. I like being able to switch back and forth. I don't want to tow along to the party line. It is the true Political Freedom (TM).
Ray, you are an odd, odd man. I am curious as to what makes you tick. Why are you afraid of other cultures or people from other countries? If there is a substantial reason for your distaste, perhaps you can teach us so that we may all can learn.
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