Kobe >than Manu but gap less than appears. Manu can also score when needed, is clutch, an superb FT shooter, and like Kobe an excellent defender. Manu is also in my opinion the superior distributor and he has been defraying some with Parker back. Come crunch time though Manu is there!
I will argue this Duncan is the still the Premier player in the NBA now and has been for years, NOT Bryant! Duncan impact to winning is FAR greater than Bryant and comparable to Shaq in his prime. Spurs blessed to have a great trio of talented stars with egos less than Bryant.
Kobe is the star of his team, and he takes +30 shoots even when hes not accurate, reason why he still scores a lot on bad games.
Manu is not the star of the Spurs, and he doesn't try to be, when he's not accurate he usually takes no more than 10-15 shoots, not forcing his scoring.
Using PPG to compare both is stupid. Kobe is amazing, Manu too, but on a diferent way... the way we like it here.
Your consistency to post bull amazes me to no extent.
Kobe is a better player than Manu in virtually every aspect on the court. Better passer, shooter, dribbler, defender, rebounder, shot blocker, post up player, etc. There is no comparison, only idiots like Rummpd who pretend they get paid for their basketball opinions think so.
It's laughable that you would even compare the two. Yea Manu is having a great season, but Kobe has been doing this his entire career. When all is said and done Kobe will be a HOF player, Manu will not.
I think most fans don't really believe Manu is in the same class as Kobe. They are two different players. Both are there for thier teams in the clutch. Kobe is relied on more though. So anyways where did you see these fans saying that Manu and Kobe are in the same class? It seems you are just trolling...
i think you are going a little overboard...and Manu should be in the HOF when its said and done.
By virtually you mean in "NBA Live 2008"?
...it appears Spurs fans underestimate how good Duncan and Manu are...weird.
People tend to forget the Basketball HOF is not just based on NBA achievement. Manu has won championships on the European and Olympic level as well as the NBA. His overall body of work, which is far from over, will get him to Springfield.
This thread (started by a LA fan) proves by itself that Manu has reach the next level.
Last year, no LA fan would have taken those Manu/Kobe comparison too seriously.
Do you realise that this season no one is shocked when someone says Manu is the #2 SG in the west or even in the league.
People tend to forget the Basketball HOF is not just based on NBA achievement. Manu has won championships on the European and Olympic level as well as the NBA. His overall body of work, which is far from over, will get him to Springfield.
Compared to the achievements of other foreign-born players in the HOF, Manu Ginobili is already a lock for the HOF. It's a done deal even if he never steps foot on a court again. This is not even debateable. (You may debate whether or not some of the players already in the HOF should be there, but based on prior inductees, Ginobili already has both feet in the door.)
Basketball is a TEAM sport.
Kobe is the best INDIVIDUAL basketball player.
Manu is one of the greatest TEAM basketball player.
TEAM = rings
INDIVIDUAL = a lot of press
When you start your message comparing points per game, I stop reading automatically.. check the roles of both players then come back.
Please allow me to laugh at you.
Yeah okay, come talk to me when he is dropping 25 plus a game on you in the playoffs and giving you headaches. Of Course he is not as good as Kobe, but Manu is a damn fine player.
Manu turns Kobesque during certain periods of the games. You see him turn into this BEAST and just dominate on BOTH ends of the court down the stretch. I don't watch Kobe enough to see him on the defensive side, but Manu is just as much a game-changer as Kobe is during many games imfo.
Kobe has both.
And these certain periods often come during the playoffs
When was the last time Kobe attempted less than 10 shots?
Unlike Ginobili, if Kobe's shots weren't falling, he'd still be jacking them up. That's the difference.
I don't get it, if Laker fans have a problem with the way we talk about Manu then they shouldn't come to a Spurs board. Seems to me they are upset that we are not bowing to Kobe's feet and admiring his greatness enough. There are Laker forums for that. Let us worship Manu, you can worship Kobe. It's a win win situation.
neither is kobe- no mvp, nothing more than 1st round exits as the main guy.
at least manu has a gold medal.
and the best player in the NBA is Tim Duncan, who has a far more impressive career than kobe. 4 rings, 2 mvps, 3 finals mvp.
When all is said and done, no matter how many more rings Manu wins with the Spurs he will never end up in the HOF. Kobe will. End of discussion.
Manu = great All-Star player and talent.
Kobe = transcendent once in a generation basketball player
Boy, your nickname says it all.
Manu is a LOCK at the HOF for his international achievements, as well as his NBA rings. That is not saying he is as good as Kobe, but try another argument because the HOF one is absurd.
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