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Just curious where you saw fans arguing that Kobe was in the same class as Manu??
Manu had a great hot streak recently and some fans were arguing he was in the same class as Kobe. Yet I don't see it now because Manu doesn't do it every night.
He had a hot run but the last 5? 13, 17, 30, 17, 12 - only 17.8 ppg.
If Kobe averaged under 20 points for a 5 game stretch there would be radio hosts and message boards all over blowing up about how he's washed up.
Manu is good but please remember how that pendulum swings.
Just curious where you saw fans arguing that Kobe was in the same class as Manu??
They are completely different players with completely different roles, but I'd take Manu as a teammate every time, and Manu as readily as Kobe to ice a 4th quarter.
Kobe may be the MVP, but there is only one Manu and he is a winner at EVERY LEVEL.
I ain't ever heard Manu being in the same class as Kobe.
All every1 knows is that it's a great match up. Who wouldn't want 2 watch these 2 go at it? We all know Manu gets under Kobe's skin with because of his tough defense. Remember when Kobe had to serve a suspension a while back because he did that flagrant foul against Manu?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...spension_x.htm
But as far as teammates i think most ppl would agree Manu is a better one.
That's hardly any shedding any new perspective.
His number of shots also went down. If there was any perspective to shed, it's that when given Kobe like minutes and 20 + shots, Manu's efficiency doesn't go down.
Of course he's not in the same class Kobe, but during those last 5 games we didn't need him to be super-manu to win.
If there's any perspective to be shed, it's that all the top SG's and elite wingmen, have bad games, but get 25 shots to keep their PPG average above 20. Ours Spurs players stats are actually deflated.
Kobe is probably one of the most gifted SG to ever play the game. They do have similarities in terms of clutchness and urgency to win, but they are not at the same level.
However, I think most Spurs fans would rather choose Manu over Kobe as he is a much better fit in this organization in terms of personality, team play and background.
Actually, there's been a Hollinger article comparing Manu to Kobe recently.
It's easy to see it as just a "streak", but it wasn't at all. It had to do with Parker being out or still not fully healthy. Manu had to step up and take the majority of the shots, had more plays drawn for him and he became almost the first option for the team over Tim. So, it's not a matter of luck, Manu has the ability to score as much as anyone in the league. With two great offensive players next to him it's almost natural to see his numbers decrease.
Bottomline is that the Spurs have a Kobe Bryant in their roster who doesn't need to score. Give him the ball and the space and he'll score.
Manu doesn't have the same playing time as Kobe. And his not a ball hugger as kobe is.
Here we go again . . .
The closest thing that I had heard was that Manu was playing as well as Kobe at that moment, not for the whole season or any other time. When Manu is on a streak like that, he is as good as anyone in the world, but the key word there is streak. Its a temporary thing, not a permanent one. That is not to say Manu is not a great player, which he is. IMO, Kobe is the best player in the NBA though.
One quality that I think both players possess equally is a desire to win and a fire to be as fierce of a compe or as possible. Also both want the ball when the game is on the line. Not a bad quality to have.
Ask Kobe who he thinks is one of the best 2's in the world...
agreed.
Well said.
No one argues that Kobe has been the premier player in the NBA for quite some time now, but Manu is every bit Kobe's equal where it counts: they have three rings apiece. What's more important than that? Although both Manu and Kobe played key roles in their championships, both worked in the shadows of dominant big men while doing so.
The difference: In recent years Kobe has been the driving force on a team missing all the pieces of a championship team that the Spurs have retained. This will be the difference should the Lakers meet the Spurs in the playoffs. We'll be able to double or even triple team Kobe without too much fear of the rest of the Lakers hurting us; whereas no way will the Lakers be able to do that against Manu, Tony, Timmy, or anyone else on the Spurs.
Duncan is best player in the NBA.
In terms of a teammate being a role player, yes. In terms of being the #1 guy night in and night out, Kobe >>>>>>> Manu. Kobe finally has a very solid team, especially with the addition of Pau Gasol, and so far, he has been incredibly efficient, and a fantastic teammate. If Kobe and Duncan played together, there would be NO question that they would have more than 4 les by now. You can't say the same about Manu.
Much better take. If you want a role player, then Manu would probably be better. If you need a #1 guy, Kobe is as good as it gets.
no sherlock
... himself?
Duncan is not only the best player in the NBA.. he is the best player in the WORLD
Manu's foul on Dirk post
i agree... WHAT?
Another factor is that Ginobili may be the most underpaid player in the NBA. I'd take his contract over Kobe's any day.
Ginobili is much more valuable as a second option than a first, however. I don't know if he could play 100+ games per season as a first option at his "natural" pace. His size would eventually catch up to him in terms of injuries, general wear/tear, etc. We know that Ginobili can be the first option and carry a team at various levels, but he has never been asked to do it for an entire NBA season and playoffs.
Nobody seriously said Gino == Kobe
But somehow it is scary to imagine Ginobili has a team first option.
Look at how Allen/KG/Pierce numbers dropped now that theyare a big 3 in a defensive team... and imagine what Gino numbers could be playing for another team.
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