Manu snub... from greatest SG of all time ESPN

[The Franchise]

how was that post re ed? Do you actually think Wade deserves to be called a superstar? Would you put him in the same category as Kobe/Lebron/Duncan/KG/AI etc. ? In my opinon, he is not a superstar.

You say "DR50" or whatever you want to call him. His name is David Robinson, and yes if he only had one great season I would not call him a Superstar.

96? DRob played 6 games that season, D-Wade has played 51. How are you even making this comparison? D-Wade hasn't proven to me, besides the fact that he beat Dallas in the finals because of Free-Throw Attempts.

Look, I am a Spurs fan (second only to the Rockets) and I think Manu is a great compe or, but if I were starting a team I would not pick Manu over Wade. Put a healthy Wade in SA and the Spurs aren't a better team? Love Manu, but be real for a second.

[san antonio spurs]

You still have not made any valid points to back up your argument. Comparing his coach/how far he has advanced in the playoffs is focusing on the team as a whole. KG/AI/Lebron have never had as good of a supporting cast as the Heat did when they won the finals (and even that is a stretch). He wasn't able to make a REAL impact on the East (yes the EAST) until Shaq was on his team. This allowed him to use his athletic skill (the only real thing going for him) to get easy baskets and go to the foul line.






You are just proving my point. Riley played Wade on a Bum knee, the same bum knee that has been (according to you) seriously affecting his performance. That right there is what I am trying to get through your think skull. Wade having a bum knee severely hinders his athleticism, which is his main attribute. He runs very fast and dives into the lane looking for contact (why he is always on his ass), and now that he has a bum knee he can't do that anymore. Now look what happens: 11-51 record in the Eastern ing Conference. They are still elgible to make the playoffs for christ sakes.





If you re-read what I typed you would see that I was talking about Foul Calls as well, I made a typo. Did you not read the "Only thing I agree with you is". Considering my previous rebuttals? You have not even rebutted anything except for comparing Wade to DRob, and saying "NU-UH HE IS A SUPERSTAR HE WON LE, KG HASNT".

Rebuttal that.

Can't waste my time with a kid that prides himself in not making sense.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Only thing you could argue is Manu's a better shooter.

I think Wade could go either way right now, he might become a Penny Hardaway, or just might be back next year. If he has a long career, his losing season will just be a blip used against him in Lebron vs. whatever debates, nothing more....but Wade has definitely been up to this point, a super-star caliber player.

[ShoogarBear]

At 6-foot-8, Gervin revolutionized the position, won four scoring les (one in the ABA, three in the NBA)

Ice never won a scoring le in the ABA. All four were in the NBA (78, 79, 80, 82).

[rAm]

Look, I am a Spurs fan (second only to the Rockets) and I think Manu is a great compe or, but if I were starting a team I would not pick Manu over Wade. Put a healthy Wade in SA and the Spurs aren't a better team? Love Manu, but be real for a second.

im not even comparing Wade to Manu, I am saying Wade is not a super-star.

Can't waste my time with a kid that prides himself in not making sense.

Please explain to me where in the past 3 replies have I not made sense. You have avoided every point I have made.

Calling me Kid and giving up on an argument? You lose my friend, you lose. Pretty pathetic Spurs fan on top of all that if you are comparing D-Wade to D-Rob.

[rep]

I never saw Reggie play until the latter part of his career. Does he deserve to be ranked at 7? I never saw Joe D play at all, but I'd say the only thing Reggie has over Joe is his jump shot and it's not like Joe D was a bad jump shooter.

Anyone agree?

As for Manu. I don't know as flashy and as fun as he can be to watch, he's not selfish or a ball hog and oh yea he plays for the Spurs. Of course ESPN is gonna go for the cat down in Miami. You're not fun to watch Spurs fans so you're gonna get short changed as far as things like this.

Just for the record, nationally yea you're not fun to watch but in Detroit, we're not stupid. We respect you guys and the way you play and as great as Ginobili is I wouldn't put him on that list or even mention him. When it's all said and done tho, IDK how he's not a top 10 SG especially of this era...

[jag]

Not a bad list actually...If you dont think that MJ and Kobe are 1 and 2 then i have nothing to say to you.

[jag]

Ice never won a scoring le in the ABA. All four were in the NBA (78, 79, 80, 82).

Also, I'm pretty sure Gervin was barely 6'7".

[Martin R]

There is NONE, (read loud) NO PLAYER has ever achieved what Manu has so far. NONE.

This before saying he is too high in that list, use your brain and think 2 seconds before posting.

Manu : 3 NBA rings and counting, Olympic Champion, European Champion.
Reggie Miller? give me a brake.

[ClingingMars]

Iceman >>> Manu. sorry Church of Manu.

-Mars

[JamStone]

Don't see why some people are getting bent. In Michael Jordan's honors, it doesn't speak about his two gold medals or his NCAA championship. While not explicit, it's pretty obvious that the list is comprised based on achievements in the NBA, not Olympic or international play. As such, mentioning Manu's achievements outside the NBA carries little merit to the discussion, at least how those ESPN people made their votes.

[mathbzh]

Don't see why some people are getting bent. In Michael Jordan's honors, it doesn't speak about his two gold medals or his NCAA championship. While not explicit, it's pretty obvious that the list is comprised based on achievements in the NBA, not Olympic or international play. As such, mentioning Manu's achievements outside the NBA carries little merit to the discussion, at least how those ESPN people made their votes.

Come on... you can't compare the 92 dream team to Manu's Argentina.
From 1992 to 2000 USA was supposed to win gold.

[JamStone]

Who's comparing? I just said there's no mention of it therefore the voters didn't take into consideration play outside the NBA. It has nothing to do with comparing those two teams.

[mathbzh]

Who's comparing? I just said there's no mention of it therefore the voters didn't take into consideration play outside the NBA. It has nothing to do with comparing those two teams.

Given Jordan NBA career there is not much needs to speak about gold medal.
But if he was barely in the HOF you would probably have references to his international and NCAA career. Just check pistol pete HOF resume.

[TheTruth]

How can you NOT call Wade a superstar? What do YOU define a superstar as???

Championship? Check. All-star? Check. 20+ points a game? Check. And he's popular as all get out.

Jesus H. Christ, what's with the haterade?

-Ginofan

[JamStone]

Given Jordan NBA career there is not much needs to speak about gold medal.
But if he was barely in the HOF you would probably have references to his international and NCAA career. Just check pistol pete HOF resume.

The list isn't associated with the Hall of Fame. The Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame recognizes collegiate and international basketball. This list obviously didn't.

[oboymeetsogirl]

I respect guys like Miller and Dumars, but if Manu continues to grow the way he has over the next two, three, four years -- along with another two or three rings -- he'll easily surpass a Dumars and Miller (not to mention Wade) just by sheer weight of accomplishments. After all, most of these old guys on this top ten list are in there for their career-long achievements, and Manu is only half-way there (God willing). After a while it becomes obvious to everyone that no way guys like Miller (with his zero rings) and Dumars (with his two rings) can be rated higher than Manu, should he end up with four, five or six.

Number of championships, after all, ultimately carries greater weight than individual statistics when careers are finished, analyzed and rated.

[rAm]

How can you NOT call Wade a superstar? What do YOU define a superstar as???

Championship? Check. All-star? Check. 20+ points a game? Check. And he's popular as all get out.

Jesus H. Christ, what's with the haterade?

-Ginofan

IMO Wade does not play super-star basketball. He has super-star hype and commercial appeal, but he does not deserve to be mentioned on this list.

[Bruno]

The truth is that Ginobili is a borderline all star SG. Considering him as one of the greatest SG of the NBA history is just delusional.
His main edge is that he has 3 NBA rings but truth it's mainly because he plays with Tim Duncan.

[WalterBenitez]

+1

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[kingmalaki]

Honest question for Spurs fans that had a chance to watch Gervin play. Why do you think he is better than Drexler? I recall it being #1 and #2 between Mike and Clyde until they met up in the Finals.

[JamStone]

I respect guys like Miller and Dumars, but if Manu continues to grow the way he has over the next two, three, four years -- along with another two or three rings -- he'll easily surpass a Dumars and Miller (not to mention Wade) just by sheer weight of accomplishments. After all, most of these old guys on this top ten list are in there for their career-long achievements, and Manu is only half-way there (God willing). After a while it becomes obvious to everyone that no way guys like Miller (with his zero rings) and Dumars (with his two rings) can be rated higher than Manu, should he end up with four, five or six.

Number of championships, after all, ultimately carries greater weight than individual statistics when careers are finished, analyzed and rated.

I'm a Piston fan and I don't even think Joe Dumars should be a top ten SG on the list, although I think it's nice praise for Dumars the player. But, just to counter-point, not necessarily a real disagreement, realize that Joe Dumars has international success although not Olympic, and he is a former NBA Finals MVP.

A Finals MVP carries a lot of weight.

[ShoogarBear]

There is NONE, (read loud) NO PLAYER has ever achieved what Manu has so far. NONE.

This before saying he is too high in that list, use your brain and think 2 seconds before posting.

Manu : 3 NBA rings and counting, Olympic Champion, European Champion.
Reggie Miller? give me a brake.

You might take your own advice. That first paragraph might be in the all-time top ten most incorrect statements ever made about basketball.

Bill Russell. Michael Jordan.

And before you say it, NCAA Champion >>> European Champion when they played.

[Nikos]

Comparing Manu to other SG's who had to carry the load on their teams for several years is difficult.

Manu objectively looks like a very good SG when you compare him with Dumars and Reggie Miller -- breaking it down he looks he is arguably as good or better when at his best. But Miller and Dumars never played with a Tim Duncan so its difficult to compare.

But Manu is not a superstar that is for sure. He wouldn't make the hall of fame as a NBA player, and neither should have Dumars made it. Nor should Reggie Miller.

[Admiral]

Manu can play with anyone on that list anytime. Not top 5 but in mix for next group. His talents and overall basketball c.v. (worldwide) so underappreciated. Much more of a winner and compe or than Drexer and a lot above him.

Manu > Drexler? Surely you're joking!