Manu snub... from greatest SG of all time ESPN

[hsxvvd]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...me-GreatestSGs

Ok, so Jordan was a given, but check the fine print. How does Manu get 4 votes... and Dwayne "11-51" Wade gets 23! Are you kidding me?

[whottt]

It's awesome that Ice finished fourth....he should be second, but fourth isn't too bad considering how badly overhyped Laker players tend to be(with the exception of Magic Johnson who is badly underhyped).


As for Manu...well he hasn't been in the league as long as most of those guys and the one guy on the list that's been around the same length of time put on an all time great performance in the finals and won the finals MVP.


I don't see Manu as being overly dissed here...he's had an abbreviated career compared to most of those guys and his international career isn't being paid much attention to by the voters. I'll be diappointed if he still doesn't get mentioned when he's done playing.

[whottt]

After looking at that list...even the honorable mentions, Manu's had the shortest NBA career of anyone on that list except for Wade....that's pretty impressive actually. Yeah Wade is overhyped...but that finals performance was pretty impressive.

[samikeyp]

It's awesome that Ice finished fourth....he should be second, but fourth isn't too bad considering how badly overhyped Laker players tend to be(with the exception of Magic Johnson who is badly underhyped).


As for Manu...well he hasn't been in the league as long as most of those guys and the one guy on the list that's been around the same length of time put on an all time great performance in the finals and won the finals MVP.


I don't see Manu as being overly dissed here...he's had an abbreviated career compared to most of those guys and his international career isn't being paid much attention to by the voters. I'll be diappointed if he still doesn't get mentioned when he's done playing.

I would agree. Manu still has plenty of good basketball left so I don't see it as a snub. I think the list is still pretty good.

Now if it were a list of active shooting guards and Manu was left off, that would be a major diss.

[Allanon]

Dwayne Wade has been consistently better than Manu before this year. Manu has been playing extremely well but that is more of just this year.

Truth is Pop is probably to be blamed for Manu's lack of S om....coming off the bench, you'll never be mentioned among the Greatest. If he was a starter for the last few years, I don't doubt he'd be much higher ranked than Wade.

Ice was an excellent player but I think Kobe is still the better because he's the best scorer and one of the best defenders. Kobe also has a farther shooting range than Iceman had.

Jerry West I have no idea about, never saw him play.

[Bruno]

Snub ?

Ginobili is even too high on that list.

[xcoriate]

exactly. Interesting how there were two voters that didn't think Gervin qualified for the top 10 though. That is ridiculous.

Hmmm, and two more who didn't think Iverson was worthy, I mean love or hate him he is easy a top 10 SG all time.

[romain.star]

Snub ?

Ginobili is even too high on that list.

+1

[Rummpd]

Manu can play with anyone on that list anytime. Not top 5 but in mix for next group. His talents and overall basketball c.v. (worldwide) so underappreciated. Much more of a winner and compe or than Drexer and a lot above him.

I still say Oscar Robertson should be on list, played shooting guard many years and was as good as Jordan and Kobe and many have argued he was in the very top tier of guards and players ever in NBA.

[hater]

DWade is in that???


that poll just lost all credibility

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...me-GreatestSGs

Ok, so Jordan was a given, but check the fine print. How does Manu get 4 votes... and Dwayne "11-51" Wade gets 23! Are you kidding me?

I love Manu but he MAY make the top 20 shooting guards of all time.

[honestfool84]

Ice was an excellent player but I think Kobe is still the better because he's the best scorer and one of the best defenders.

i don't think kobe is that amazing of a defensive player..

[DarrinS]

There is some serious Manu homerism going on these days.


Don't get me wrong, Manu is a great player, but did you see that list?

[rAm]

Wade is a star, but not a super-star. He relies on his athletic ability to score (and get whistles to pad his stats).

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

any votes for Manu is a compliment.

That said, his statistical individual NBA career severely underrates him, he's just as compe ive as the greats, etc. a truly unique player, that only comes around every so often with that inherent will to win.

[m33p0]

No no no no. ESPN got it backwards. The list didn't snub Manu... Manu snubbed the list.

[Supreme_Being]

Snub ?

Ginobili is even too high on that list.

You should go to the Church of Manu.

[san antonio spurs]

Wade is a star, but not a super-star. He relies on his athletic ability to score (and get whistles to pad his stats).

This is the most re ed post I've seen in a while.

Regarding people dissing Wade for this season, the guy was injured, his worthy teamates were injured, his coach screwed him over and got rid of some major parts in their le run. (The guy by himself won multiple heat series in the playoffs)

Should we stop mentioning DR50 in the greatest centers of all time discussion because of 96?

[rAm]

This is the most re ed post I've seen in a while.

Regarding people dissing Wade for this season, the guy was injured, his worthy teamates were injured, his coach screwed him over and got rid of some major parts in their le run. (The guy by himself won multiple heat series in the playoffs)

Should we stop mentioning DR50 in the greatest centers of all time discussion because of 96?

how was that post re ed? Do you actually think Wade deserves to be called a superstar? Would you put him in the same category as Kobe/Lebron/Duncan/KG/AI etc. ? In my opinon, he is not a superstar.

You say "DR50" or whatever you want to call him. His name is David Robinson, and yes if he only had one great season I would not call him a Superstar.

96? DRob played 6 games that season, D-Wade has played 51. How are you even making this comparison? D-Wade hasn't proven to me, besides the fact that he beat Dallas in the finals because of Free-Throw Attempts.

[spursfan09]

Gee I wonder who Carlos Morales voted for.

[san antonio spurs]

how was that post re ed? Do you actually think Wade deserves to be called a superstar? Would you put him in the same category as Kobe/Lebron/Duncan/KG/AI etc. ? In my opinon, he is not a superstar..

That's key right there, in your opinion what makes a superstar and lets see if Wade fails to qualify. Thanks.

You say "DR50" or whatever you want to call him. His name is David Robinson, and yes if he only had one great season I would not call him a Superstar. .

First of all I have the most respect for David Robinson and excuse my laziness on the www.

Secondly, Wade didn't have only one great season. If you watched the NBA you'd realise how clutch and dominant he was as a rook in the playoffs (against BD, oh excuse me Byron Davis). And if it wasn't for his style of play and injuries he'd be dominating now. Watch some games sometimes.

96? DRob played 6 games that season, D-Wade has played 51. How are you even making this comparison? D-Wade hasn't proven to me, besides the fact that he beat Dallas in the finals because of Free-Throw Attempts.

Really? he had a smart coach, and just about now Pat Riley is catching up.

And to me, Dirk hasn't proven to me, he won the spurs series at FT line

[rAm]

That's key right there, in your opinion what makes a superstar and lets see if Wade fails to qualify. Thanks.



First of all I have the most respect for David Robinson and excuse my laziness on the www.

Secondly, Wade didn't have only one great season. If you watched the NBA you'd realise how clutch and dominant he was as a rook in the playoffs (against BD, oh excuse me Byron Davis). And if it wasn't for his style of play and injuries he'd be dominating now. Watch some games sometimes.


Really? he had a smart coach, and just about now Pat Riley is catching up.

And to me, Dirk hasn't proven to me, he won the spurs series at FT line

You still haven't answered my original question, you are avoiding it. Do you think Dwayne Wade is a superstar? Just because he has been in 4 different commercial series, we shouldn't assume he is a superstar. I did in fact watch parts of that series, even though the East is usually boring to me until the later rounds. He played great in that series, but the Hornets still took them to 7 games, and then they got knocked out in 6. He played "great" in the finals as well. Do 2 playoff series make him a superstar? Does it make him eligible to be considered with the likes of the AMAZING SG's that have ever played the game?

In my opinion (yes MY opinion), he does not deserve it, nor do I consider him a Superstar. You have said nothing to backup your "opinion" except to compare him to David Robinson, which in itself is the most re ed post I have seen in a while. Pat Riley not a smart coach? Why don't you count all the rings on his fingers and compare them to SVG and tell me who wins.

Only thing I agree with you is that Dirk won his series also. Those 2 series were horrible to watch because of the foul calls, it wasn't even basketball. But once again, that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Why don't you think twice before you go calling someone's post re ed just because you don't agree with it.

[hater]

Wade is a superstar if you're talking about cellphone commercials.

if you're talking about basketball, he is a has been. Even Shaq left him

, he had 1 great season in his entire life

Manu >>>> Wade

[san antonio spurs]

You still haven't answered my original question, you are avoiding it. Do you think Dwayne Wade is a superstar? Just because he has been in 4 different commercial series, we shouldn't assume he is a superstar. I did in fact watch parts of that series, even though the East is usually boring to me until the later rounds. He played great in that series, but the Hornets still took them to 7 games, and then they got knocked out in 6. He played "great" in the finals as well. Do 2 playoff series make him a superstar?.

Yes he's a superstar, you listed AI, KG and Lebron, and by those mesures he qualifies as he's lead his team further and got the grand prize.

In my opinion (yes MY opinion), he does not deserve it, nor do I consider him a Superstar. You have said nothing to backup your "opinion" except to compare him to David Robinson, which in itself is the most re ed post I have seen in a while. Pat Riley not a smart coach? Why don't you count all the rings on his fingers and compare them to SVG and tell me who wins..

Your logic just hit a new low.
You failed again to enonciate what makes a superstar and why Wade doesn't qalify.
And your comprehension skills need to be updated. Pat Riley is a good coach, but playing you franchise player on a bum knee in a lost season isn't that smart. That's what I was refering too, not his resume.

Only thing I agree with you is that Dirk won his series also. Those 2 series were horrible to watch because of the foul calls, it wasn't even basketball. But once again, that has nothing to do with this discussion..

Considering your previous rebuttals I'm not surprised that you failed to make the connection. A quick wrap up however to give you a hint, Dirk is a superstar who won a series at the FT line jusk like wade. Unless you don't consider Dirk a superstar

Why don't you think twice before you go calling someone's post re ed just because you don't agree with it.

I stand corrected

[rAm]

You still have not made any valid points to back up your argument. Comparing his coach/how far he has advanced in the playoffs is focusing on the team as a whole. KG/AI/Lebron have never had as good of a supporting cast as the Heat did when they won the finals (and even that is a stretch). He wasn't able to make a REAL impact on the East (yes the EAST) until Shaq was on his team. This allowed him to use his athletic skill (the only real thing going for him) to get easy baskets and go to the foul line.

Your logic just hit a new low.
You failed again to enonciate what makes a superstar and why Wade doesn't qalify.
And your comprehension skills need to be updated. Pat Riley is a good coach, but playing you franchise player on a bum knee in a lost season isn't that smart. That's what I was refering too, not his resume.

You are just proving my point. Riley played Wade on a Bum knee, the same bum knee that has been (according to you) seriously affecting his performance. That right there is what I am trying to get through your think skull. Wade having a bum knee severely hinders his athleticism, which is his main attribute. He runs very fast and dives into the lane looking for contact (why he is always on his ass), and now that he has a bum knee he can't do that anymore. Now look what happens: 11-51 record in the Eastern ing Conference. They are still elgible to make the playoffs for christ sakes.

Considering your previous rebuttals I'm not surprised that you failed to make the connection. A quick wrap up however to give you a hint, Dirk is a superstar who won a series at the FT line jusk like wade. Unless you don't consider Dirk a superstar

If you re-read what I typed you would see that I was talking about Foul Calls as well, I made a typo. Did you not read the "Only thing I agree with you is". Considering my previous rebuttals? You have not even rebutted anything except for comparing Wade to DRob, and saying "NU-UH HE IS A SUPERSTAR HE WON LE, KG HASNT".

Rebuttal that.