I really don't see Paul or Williams leaving their teams.
Dallas needs a shooting guard in the worst way. Stackhouse. He needs to be gone. Kidd's contract expiring could get us a superstar. That is if Cuban is willing to pay the big bucks next. Until than, I say keep this team intact except for Stackhouse and Avery.
spurs do need to get younger
Udoka has been a good surprise though
Before the trade happened I thought the Kidd deal was riskier than the Shaq deal. I did not think that was possible because Shaq is overaged and overpaid, but the Mavs pulled the trigger right after the Shaq deal.
He was very good today. If he is always like that (I can only see them on ABC) than he was a very good pickup.
Time to bump this.
I expect this thread to at the top for the rest of this season, to the draft!
I'd like to make a contribution to the thread. I know i've been saying this alot, but now I have an official thread to post it in. Mavs NEED to trade Terry for Magette.
howard for him
Man, now that you mention it I would like to see Terry gone. I love the guy but he seems to be on the decline lately. I seriously hate seeing him come on the court because I know chances are hes going to miss most of his shots...
Ive said this in about 3 threads now but I guess i'll say it again:
Ducks, go suck a you know nothing about the Spurs much less the Mavs. Howard for Magette isn't going to help us, what we need is size at the 2 position and people to run with Kidd.
Donald Sterling turned down Terry for Maggette. I'd love to do that deal though. Problem is teams won't want his contract, its terrible value for what he gives you.
Are you a computer that is programmed to keep saying this?
Maggette is absolutely what the Mavs need at the two, and he'll be available with his early opt-out rights and the Clip Show wanting to get younger (and most importantly cheaper) with Al Thornton. Only problem with him is that he's more fragile than Glass Joe. If he plays in 70 games this year, that will be only like the third time in his career.
Kevin Love! He better not play himself into the top ten.
the Mavs need a young point guard... get rid of Stack and Terry for some promising youth or good free agents...
mavs offseason plan BLAME AVERY
that will solve everything
it had nothing to do with CUBAN
Actually, Magette is about the same height as Howard, but much stronger. And he drives and slash a LOT, unlike Howard.
true, but he also takes those cold jumpers. if we had a true post player, everybody else would have the opportunity to be a "slasher".
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...kevin-love-be/
UCLA's Kevin Love is the NCAA tournament's most talked about player west of Stephen Curry. With Love projected to be a lottery pick, his NBA future is on many people's minds. Not just the normal if he'll go, but what kind of NBA player will he be once he gets there?
So, we got our top hoops minds together to discuss this.
Charles Rich: I'm not so sure he will translate as well to the NBA. I see him much like Shane Battier -- a great college player and a solid NBA player. Great for team chemistry and smart.
Josh Alper: When I read the negatives about Love for the next level I always think that they're trying to find things that are wrong with him rather than stuff that's right. It's true, he isn't freakishly athletic but he's a fantastic basketball player. He's a strong passer, good shooter, goes 100% every minute of the game and knows how to maximize every one of his skills. That's pretty good.
Even if he did turn out like Battier, what's so awful about that? A guy who makes his teammates better and does it happily while helping his team win. I'll take that over a more talented Zach Randolph-type of player.
Ty Keenan: The difference there is that Battier is a terrific defender and Love -- despite his seven blocks against Texas A&M -- is really only passable in that area. The other big difference is that Battier is primarily a jump shooter while Love is a post scorer. Pretty much anybody can get an open corner three in the NBA, but Love will probably have some difficulty scoring over guys who are much bigger and more athletic than he is. I think he'll be reasonably productive just because he's so skilled, but his ceiling is much, much lower than the other well-regarded big men in this class.
Josh: I hear you regarding the expectations, but that's exactly my point about Battier. Superstar or Bust seem to be the only avenues available but 95% of the time the answer is somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't build my team around Love but I'd be surprised if he didn't make a decent team better either. A guy like Jordan might be more athletic and have a higher ceiling but I think there's a better chance he never reaches it.
Ty: The issue is that those negative things necessarily cap his worth at the NBA level. To me, a discussion like this one is as much about managing our expectations for him as much as it's about saying how good he'll be. I really do think he'll be a solid player for quite a few years, but anyone who drafts him in the lottery will be getting a solid player and nothing more. And the fact of the matter is that most lottery teams need something more than a solid player. He reminds me a lot of Sean May in that regard.
Nathan Fowler: My feeling is that if Love gets on an NBA conditioning program and sheds a few pounds he could easily be a Carlos Boozer type player in the NBA - yeah, he'll never be a terrific defender but he's a strong scorer in the low post and he's a GREAT rebounder - that part can't be downplayed, he's going to be a beast on the glass for someone. There are very few teams that can't use a terrific defensive rebounder with solid offensive skills and above average passing skills in the low post - no matter what the defensive limitations (and defensive rebounding is a big part of defensive skills anyways).
Ty: Oh, I definitely agree with you on that. My only point was that he's much more valuable to a playoff team than he is to a lottery team.
Nathan: I think Love's career in the NBA will depend on his willingness to give up Big Macs and hit the treadmill. If he does, he'll be an All-Star. If he stays heavy and plays out of shape or worse, gets hurt, then he's a bust. Teams are really going to have to judge his willingness to change his body.
Sportz Assassin: I think Love will not be an NBA star ... but he can last in the league for a long, long time. He's got a knack for rebounding because of his wide shoulders, knowledge and effort. That can get you in the league.
What will make him stick is the fact he can already hit an 18-foot jump shot. In today's NBA, a guy like Love can make a living being a tough rebounder and hitting that open shot at the top of the key or at the elbows. Horace Grant was outstanding at this with the Bulls. Some have called him a shorter Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur.
Adam Rank: I'm one of those guys who watches college hoops, but doesn't really care much for the NBA. I don't understand why we people try to knock his NBA ability during the middle of UCLA's attempt for a third consecutive Final Four. I agree with Josh that it seems like people are looking for a reason to bash him. He has great skills at the college level, and that's pretty much all I care about although I do believe he could play in the NBA.
Of course, I said that about Nick Fazekas, too.
Ryan Ferguson: I'm with you, Adam. It bothers me a little bit when a college player is already being evaluated for his pro potential as though his college career is nothing more than a warm-up for the NBA draft. As far as I'm concerned, when a player's college career is over, that's when my interest shifts to another emerging player. I'd prefer to appreciate Love for what he brings to the table right now in the college hoops environment. He's a hoot to watch.
Sportz: In Love's case ... it is. He wouldn't be at UCLA if the NBA didn't have their age limit in place. Just like Beasley, Mayo and some of the others. I have issues with the rule (I think it should model the NFL's rule of three years removed), but that's a discussion for another day.
Ty: Well, as someone who watches college and NBA basketball with equal amounts of attention, I can tell you that it's impossible to watch a good college player and not project his NBA career. However, in no way does that stop me from respecting and appreciating what he does at UCLA. He's not my favorite player in the world on a stylistic level, but I would never call him anything less than a terrific college basketball player. But the fact of the matter is that NBA success represents the desired pinnacle of his career, so it's unavoidable for people to think about that, too. At the same time, I don't think that NBA talk should enter into any discussion of his worth as a college player, and that includes during game broadcasts.
Last edited by Findog; 03-29-2008 at 06:34 PM.
Also, just want to reiterate, we cut DJ Mbenga to make room for Juwan Howard, cut Nick Fazekas to make room for Jamaal Magloire, and Avery currently gives more burn to Devean George instead of Antoine Wright. I'll be pissed if we let Wright walk in the offseason because Avery has his head up his ass.
Howard is our SF why would we trade our SF for a SG? That wouldn't fix anything, then we'd need a new starting SF. I was thinking along the lines of having Magette and Howard both to run the fast break with Kidd, along with needing a low post scorer.
Josh Howard. I'm tired of his low basketball IQ and not bothering to leave the locker room after halftime. Athletic swingmen are a lot easier to replace than post scorers. Mavs should package him with Bass and the 14th pick if Kevin Love is gone in order to get a post scorer.
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