Who said this?

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know about overatted.

Does anyone here even think he could average more than 17ppg? I haven't seen one person claim that he could get that as a SPUR.

Most people who say that were hoping for more for Manu in his first season. Posters like Ghost Writer, Timvp, Kori etc.... expected Manu to be a 14-15ppg scorer off the bat most likely. most of us did. I thought he had a chance to myself. I figured he had All Star Potential after a season or two alongside Duncan.

Personally I could care less about how spectacular his plays are as far as how I rate him as a player. If he was a weak defender and couldn't pass the ball I wouldn't think so highly of him.

But when you look at his game he has versatility. If he improves his shot and learns the physicality of the NBA he is going to be a special player.

Many of you think of him as an "energy" player at best -- some guy who just comes in and hits a few clutch shots and plays solid D -- but generally not efficient on offense and is too wild.

Personally I disagree. I think he has shown many things as a Spur in his limited time. He can pass, rebound, slash, defend and all of that in the clutch.

I dont see how we are overatting him and his potential?

Who here said he would average 20ppg as a SPUR?

Nikos

[Kori Ellis]

Manu is overrated by Spurs homers and especially by our foreign contingent.

If you asked Fizaar, we Ginobili was this summer's superstar replacement for Robinson.

That said, I expect these kind of number for Ginobili next season in astarting role:

13 PPG, 4 RPG, 3, APG, 2 SPG, 39% FG, 28% 3P

Rate that what you will.

Ghost

[Kori Ellis]

I used to call Manu... "Manure" at the beginning of the season..

I was wrong.. Vato can play some serious ball. WHEN IT COUNTS.... Thats all that matters brothas and sistas...

Sequ

[Phenomanul]

The "manure" quote definitely belongs to sequ....

[Kori Ellis]

If he gets 32-38 MPG, I think he'll be good for 13-15 PPG. I don't think he'll ever average more than that, but he can get a lot of assists, rebounds and steals.

timvp

[Kori Ellis]

How clutch was Ginobili with his two missed 3s in Game 4 of the Finals?

If he was as good as everyone thinks, he would've shown it by now.

Ghost

[timvp]

Sounds like a thread where timvp was trying to rile up the rabid and quickly growing CoM. Early in the season you could only find one Argentine Spurs fan. By the end of the season, it was getting pretty crazy. Manu > DRob + Parker was becoming a standard take.

[Kori Ellis]

depends on what your term of overrated. are you saying fans are overrating him as a player now or his potential.

if it is his potential I would say not. he is a very sold iq knowledge if the game. He was learning the spurs system last year. he was injured and did not even get a full training camp in. without training camp it hurt him last year. also the playoffs are alot differnet pressure then the regular season. he never had been there before. jackson had been to the playoffs before. manu is not all that yet but I think he would have and still going to be the better player between sj and manu. you can not teach smarts. manu will bulk up and be able to finish better and get more respect from refs.

ducks

[smeagol]

Sounds like a thread where timvp was trying to rile up the rabid and quickly growing CoM. Early in the season you could only find one Argentine Spurs fan. By the end of the season, it was getting pretty crazy. Manu > DRob + Parker was becoming a standard take.

By the time of this thread, the only Argie CoM memeber was Fizzzar. The rest were native San Antonians.

Now look at your response to a CarnacTheMagnificent quote:

No need to be condescending. Yeah he's good and he'll get better, but the love you have for him is borderline scary. Manu is well respected around the league but he's looked upon as a good role player, not a savior.

He'll be a better version of Doug Christie. And that's not a bad thing.

I have a hunch you have changed your mind about Manu

[smeagol]

Game over.

Kori's got all of them right. AHF's and addidas' are pretty easy to decipher.

Interesting to find a quote where ducks gives Manu props

[DAF86]

Sounds like a thread where timvp was trying to rile up the rabid and quickly growing CoM. Early in the season you could only find one Argentine Spurs fan. By the end of the season, it was getting pretty crazy. Manu > DRob + Parker was becoming a standard take.

Everyone who said that manu is better than Robinson is because they only saw the last part of David's career.
But the other thing it's true, i'm not a parker hater like many guys here but i think there's no doubt that manu is better than tony

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not a parker hater like many guys here but i think there's no doubt that manu is better than tony

There's doubt. Anyway, they both are pretty damn good and I won't let you turn this into a Tony vs Manu thing. So just stop now.

But thing you are quoting actually meant that some posters thought that Manu was greater than David Robinson and Tony Parker combined back in 2003.

[DAF86]

There's doubt. Anyway, they both are pretty damn good and I won't let you turn this into a Tony vs Manu thing. So just stop now.

But thing you are quoting actually meant that some posters thought that Manu was greater than David Robinson and Tony Parker combined back in 2003.

oh my bad i thought that Timvp was saying that parker is better than manu

[timvp]

By the time of this thread, the only Argie CoM memeber was Fizzzar. The rest were native San Antonians.

There were more Argies than just Fizzzar at the end of 2003.

Now look at your response to a CarnacTheMagnificent quote:

I have a hunch you have changed your mind about Manu

First off, just link to the thread so people can read the quotes in context:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2737

Even the most rabid of Argie homers wouldn't have predicted a season like Manu is having this year. A better version of Doug Christie has been a good comparison for Manu's regular season output ... until this season. Even Pop used the exact same comparison (better version of Christie) when talking about Manu not too long ago.

Manu's rate of progression as a player has been stunning since 2003. In 2003, he was overrated by most Spurs fans because he was more style than substance. In the playoffs that year, he only had one good series out of four.

But since then, Manu has obviously improved greatly. I don't think anyone expected Manu to average 20 ppg and be a three-point assassin after watching his rookie year. Just like few Spurs fans expected Tony Parker to become a two-time All-Star and a Finals MVP after his rookie year.

The Spurs not only got lucky in getting both of these players, they've been fortunate regarding their year-to-year growth. But yeah, let's cherry-pick out of a five year old thread while ignoring most of the posts that were talking good about Manu

[ducks]

Game over.

Kori's got all of them right. AHF's and addidas' are pretty easy to decipher.

Interesting to find a quote where ducks gives Manu props

see I have it in me

[smeagol]

First off, just link to the thread so people can read the quotes in context:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2737

I was about to do it, right after the guessing was over. Otherwise, where would the fun be?

But yeah, let's cherry-pick out of a five year old thread while ignoring most of the posts that were talking good about Manu

Chill amigo. It was all done in the spirit of entertainment.

I find it funny to go back a couple of years and check what posters were predicting about Manu and Tony because, as you stated it, most people were wrong.

[timvp]

Those shooting percentages are too low. Even when he was struggling with his shot in the postseason, his three-point shot was good.

I'd say more like:

14 PPG, 4 RPG, 4 APG, 2.3 SPG, 44% FG, 37% 3P

That was pretty close to what Manu averaged in 2003-04.

It is going to be very exciting to follow Manu the next couple of seasons. He surely has special talent and will at the very least be fun to watch. Whether he turns out to be the star we all hope he'll be is up to him.

Luckily he turned into that star.

Manu has proven to be a clutch player. Even when he was hurt, you could see it in him.

That was never in question.

Wonder what GW says about his clutchness now . . .

[Kori Ellis]

... most people were wrong.

Hey, I was close. But Manu hasn't led the league in steals.

[DarrinS]

What's the point of bringing up 5 yr old posts?

[smeagol]

Manu's rate of progression as a player has been stunning since 2003. In 2003, he was overrated by most Spurs fans because he was more style than substance. In the playoffs that year, he only had one good series out of four.

But since then, Manu has obviously improved greatly. I don't think anyone expected Manu to average 20 ppg and be a three-point assassin after watching his rookie year. Just like few Spurs fans expected Tony Parker to become a two-time All-Star and a Finals MVP after his rookie year.

People who you claim in the first paragraph were overrating Manu in 2003, were probably right on the money if they "saw" a Manu in the future who could achieve what you describe in the second paragraph.

[smeagol]

What's the point of bringing up 5 yr old posts?

I find reading old threads extremely entertaining.

I will not get offended if you simply scroll down.

[timvp]

People who you claim in the first paragraph were overrating Manu in 2003, were probably right on the money if they "saw" a Manu in the future who could achieve what you describe in the second paragraph.

Overrating his 2003 production, not his future outlook.

[DarrinS]

I find reading old threads extremely entertaining.

I will not get offended if you simply scroll down.

And most people thought Kwame Brown was going to be great. You never can tell.


Who the heard of Bret Favre in 1991?

[FromWayDowntown]

Can Manu qualify as a balla?

[SpursFanFirst]

One of the quotes is definetely from sequ

I don't see the words "Manu Sucks" up there, so there can't be a quote from Sequ.