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These are quotes from the summer of 2003. Which poster said what?
Everyone loves Manu, the Argentinean Sensation. However, if you look at the stats, you can make an argument that he his overrated. Fans are ready to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame or proclaim him to be The Second Coming, but does he deserve the praise?
I realize that Manu has an exciting game that fans get in a tizzy over, but is there enough substance under that style for him to work as a heavy minute, starting shooting guard in the NBA?
depends on what your term of overrated. are you saying fans are overrating him as a player now or his potential.
if it is his potential I would say not. he is a very sold iq knowledge if the game. He was learning the spurs system last year. he was injured and did not even get a full training camp in. without training camp it hurt him last year. also the playoffs are alot differnet pressure then the regular season. he never had been there before. jackson had been to the playoffs before. manu is not all that yet but I think he would have and still going to be the better player between sj and manu. you can not teach smarts. manu will bulk up and be able to finish better and get more respect from refs.
I used to call Manu... "Manure" at the beginning of the season..
I was wrong.. Vato can play some serious ball. WHEN IT COUNTS.... Thats all that matters brothas and sistas...
(this last one is too easy)
Overrated? Hardly. Every team needs a Mr. Clutch to make it to the promised land. Manu is ours.
I know Manu is hyped a lot, but I don't know if he's overrated per se.
I will reserve judgement until I see him play starters minutes. I think he could lead the league in steals. He's never going to be a Superstar but if he can average 15ppg, I'd be extremely thrilled.
Manu is a solid player, and is a very important ingredient in a championship lineup. But if everyone will take off the rose-colored glasses for a second and look at the numbers, you get a real sense for what he brings to the table. Manu is inconsistent (although his ankle injury probably didn't help any) Personally, I really like his game, and I think he could be a viable solution at shooting guard as a starter. But don't expect his stats to blow up to all star or superstar status. I just don't think he has that kind of game, night in and night out.
Age has nothing to do with it, in my opinion. It's talent. Manu is good, but he's not great. Manu and Michael Jordan should never be mentioned in the same sentence, ever. (Except for what I just did right now!)
Manu is overrated by Spurs homers and especially by our foreign contingent.
If you asked Fizaar, we Ginobili was this summer's superstar replacement for Robinson.
That said, I expect these kind of number for Ginobili next season in astarting role:
13 PPG, 4 RPG, 3, APG, 2 SPG, 39% FG, 28% 3P
Rate that what you will.
I don't know about overatted.
Does anyone here even think he could average more than 17ppg? I haven't seen one person claim that he could get that as a SPUR.
Most people who say that were hoping for more for Manu in his first season. Posters like Ghost Writer, Timvp, Kori etc.... expected Manu to be a 14-15ppg scorer off the bat most likely. most of us did. I thought he had a chance to myself. I figured he had All Star Potential after a season or two alongside Duncan.
Personally I could care less about how spectacular his plays are as far as how I rate him as a player. If he was a weak defender and couldn't pass the ball I wouldn't think so highly of him.
But when you look at his game he has versatility. If he improves his shot and learns the physicality of the NBA he is going to be a special player.
Many of you think of him as an "energy" player at best -- some guy who just comes in and hits a few clutch shots and plays solid D -- but generally not efficient on offense and is too wild.
Personally I disagree. I think he has shown many things as a Spur in his limited time. He can pass, rebound, slash, defend and all of that in the clutch.
I dont see how we are overatting him and his potential?
Who here said he would average 20ppg as a SPUR?
If he gets 32-38 MPG, I think he'll be good for 13-15 PPG. I don't think he'll ever average more than that, but he can get a lot of assists, rebounds and steals.
How clutch was Ginobili with his two missed 3s in Game 4 of the Finals?
If he was as good as everyone thinks, he would've shown it by now.
At his best, Manu can only hope to be every bit as good as Latrell Sprewell, and he's not even in the same league yet as Spree. Looking back, I can't help but think that maybe the Spurs made a mistake by not accepting a Ginobili + capspace for Spree trade if it was really ever on the table. At least that way the Spurs would have had a legitimate scorer instead of gambling on whether Ginobili can become the playa that we all think he can, but which he has yet to prove.
Some people are penciling in Manu as an All-Star in 2004 or a 20+ point scorer. That's why some say he's overrated. Manu is an extremely well-rounded player and he sees the passing lanes better than anyone, but he's not going to be a SuperStar.
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Definitely not Sequ
One quote per poster except for Kori, timvp and ghost (2 quoter).
One of the quotes is definetely from sequ
manu is/was underrated by the spurs fans themselves.
waddahyahallthunknow?
I think I said this.I know Manu is hyped a lot, but I don't know if he's overrated per se.
I will reserve judgement until I see him play starters minutes. I think he could lead the league in steals. He's never going to be a Superstar but if he can average 15ppg, I'd be extremely thrilled.
That would be SequManu is overrated by Spurs homers and especially by our foreign contingent.
I am guessing I said this too ...
Some people are penciling in Manu as an All-Star in 2004 or a 20+ point scorer. That's why some say he's overrated. Manu is an extremely well-rounded player and he sees the passing lanes better than anyone, but he's not going to be a SuperStar.
I am guessing timvp said this.Everyone loves Manu, the Argentinean Sensation. However, if you look at the stats, you can make an argument that he his overrated. Fans are ready to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame or proclaim him to be The Second Coming, but does he deserve the praise?
I realize that Manu has an exciting game that fans get in a tizzy over, but is there enough substance under that style for him to work as a heavy minute, starting shooting guard in the NBA?
and that from timvpManu is overrated by Spurs homers and especially by our foreign contingent.
If you asked Fizaar, we Ginobili was this summer's superstar replacement for Robinson.
That said, I expect these kind of number for Ginobili next season in astarting role:
13 PPG, 4 RPG, 3, APG, 2 SPG, 39% FG, 28% 3P
Rate that what you will.
GhostAt his best, Manu can only hope to be every bit as good as Latrell Sprewell, and he's not even in the same league yet as Spree. Looking back, I can't help but think that maybe the Spurs made a mistake by not accepting a Ginobili + capspace for Spree trade if it was really ever on the table. At least that way the Spurs would have had a legitimate scorer instead of gambling on whether Ginobili can become the playa that we all think he can, but which he has yet to prove.
can you put the names of the posters in the quotes?One quote per poster except for Kori, timvp and ghost (2 quoter).
One of the quotes is definetely from sequ
That wouldn't surprise. Ghost has been arguing to send away Ginobili for years.
That "sprewell-ginobili trade" quote is funny.
And a i swear that "ginobili is a good defender" quote isn't mine.
Last edited by DAF86; 04-04-2008 at 12:45 PM.
Sad but true
Ginobili for Sprewell.
You are right.I know Manu is hyped a lot, but I don't know if he's overrated per se.
I will reserve judgement until I see him play starters minutes. I think he could lead the league in steals. He's never going to be a Superstar but if he can average 15ppg, I'd be extremely thrilled.
And I'm sure you are thrilled with him
Well he's averaging 14.7 for his career so far. So my expectations were good.You are right.
And I'm sure you are thrilled with him
How could you screw up sequ's quote?
No, that is not him.
Well he's averaging 14.7 for his career so far. So my expectations were good.
True, but if you discount his first season, given that he spent most of the time with an ankle injury, the number is probably closer to 16 ppg.
Nevertheless, that was a good prognostication
Right again lady!Some people are penciling in Manu as an All-Star in 2004 or a 20+ point scorer. That's why some say he's overrated. Manu is an extremely well-rounded player and he sees the passing lanes better than anyone, but he's not going to be a SuperStar.
It is interesting how people back then did not think Manu could average 20 ppg. Something he is achieving this year.
(I remember stating back in 2004 that I would be happy if he became an 18 / 5 / 5 kind of player).
A fine memory you have there . . .Everyone loves Manu, the Argentinean Sensation. However, if you look at the stats, you can make an argument that he his overrated. Fans are ready to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame or proclaim him to be The Second Coming, but does he deserve the praise?
I realize that Manu has an exciting game that fans get in a tizzy over, but is there enough substance under that style for him to work as a heavy minute, starting shooting guard in the NBA?
Wrong on both counts!
With respect to timvp regarding Manu's numbers, he said:
As soon as people find my silly little game boring, I will
NBA DanAt his best, Manu can only hope to be every bit as good as Latrell Sprewell, and he's not even in the same league yet as Spree. Looking back, I can't help but think that maybe the Spurs made a mistake by not accepting a Ginobili + capspace for Spree trade if it was really ever on the table. At least that way the Spurs would have had a legitimate scorer instead of gambling on whether Ginobili can become the playa that we all think he can, but which he has yet to prove.
Please i want to know who was the psychic that proposed the manu-latrell trade.
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