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    An athletic bigman that can protect the rim is our missing piece. Maybe not Diop but that is the idea. Too many uncontested layups in this game.

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    Because Dirk wanted it. That good enough for you?
    Still waiting on that link tough guy....show me where you see that Dirk wanted the Jason Kidd for Devin Harris trade.

    Sheesh....Cue the Crickets.

    DD FTW !

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    Still waiting on that link tough guy....show me where you see that Dirk wanted the Jason Kidd for Devin Harris trade.

    Sheesh....Cue the Crickets.

    DD FTW !
    Yeah, they made a major trade against his wishes. Seriously, you don't know anything about the Mavs.

    America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

    Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

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    THE SPURS' GODFATHER san antonio spurs's Avatar
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    For what I saw watching the mavs play:
    - They need a new coach because Avery can't coach a runing team and won't allow kidd to improvise.
    - They need a backup PG that plays like Harris. Penetrating and kicking just to change the flow of the game and create wide open opportunities.
    - The mavs need an iden y ASAP. Are they a halfcourt team? a running team? a defensive team? and get the personnel accordingly.


    PS: your interior defence might be fine with Dirk (he made some real progress) and Damp as long as you have the right defensive schemes.

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    Yeah, they made a major trade against his wishes. Seriously, you don't know anything about the Mavs.

    America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

    Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat
    Fin I think you're reaching the point of trolling. You can't have a discussion anymore?

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    For what I saw watching the mavs play:
    - They need a new coach because Avery can't coach a runing team and won't allow kidd to improvise.
    - They need a backup PG that plays like Harris. Penetrating and kicking just to change the flow of the game and create wide open opportunities.
    - The mavs need an iden y ASAP. Are they a halfcourt team? a running team? a defensive team? and get the personnel accordingly.


    PS: your interior defence might be fine with Dirk (he made some real progress) and Damp as long as you have the right defensive schemes.
    Yeah, it's risky to make a major trade during the season, and this conference is so tough. And props, most Spurs fans it seem want to excuse Avery's deficiencies.

    I'd like to see the Mavs try to get Kyle Lowry. There is a huge logjam at PG in Memphis and if they have the opportunity to take Derrick Rose, don't they have to pick the hometown hero and trade away two of the Crittendon/Lowry/Conley trio?

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    Fin I think you're reaching the point of trolling. You can't have a discussion anymore?
    I'm the one trolling? Seriously, he's making light of Dirk's high ankle sprain and just being a dumbass. Anybody who pays attention to the Mavs knows that Dirk was completely on board with the Kidd acquisition and was one of the biggest proponents of it.

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    I'm the one trolling? Seriously, he's making light of Dirk's high ankle sprain and just being a dumbass. Anybody who pays attention to the Mavs knows that Dirk was completely on board with the Kidd acquisition and was one of the biggest proponents of it.
    Well I know after the trade he said that with all due respect to devin, he couldn't pass like Kidd nor had his court vision and BBall IQ. But before the trade I really have no clue.

    I agree that most trades have approuval of the frenchise player. But is it so with Cuban? he seems so confident in his abilites it's limit yness

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    The Mavs have always been a mediocre team so I don't see why Dallas fans are upset...they already sucked in the Harris/Diop days.

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    The Mavs have always been a mediocre team so I don't see why Dallas fans are upset...they already sucked in the Harris/Diop days.
    How is this working out for you?



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    The Mavs have always been a mediocre team so I don't see why Dallas fans are upset...they already sucked in the Harris/Diop days.
    My first and my last:
    America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

    Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

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    Well I know after the trade he said that with all due respect to devin, he couldn't pass like Kidd nor had his court vision and BBall IQ. But before the trade I really have no clue.

    I agree that most trades have approuval of the frenchise player. But is it so with Cuban? he seems so confident in his abilites it's limit yness
    Cuban gets a lot of crap because of his obnoxious public persona, but he is smart enough to listen to his basketball people. I know Donnie wanted this and Dirk did too.

    Interestingly enough, I suspect and there's been some whispers that Avery did not want it to go down, and it's one of the sources of tension between them.

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    Cuban gets a lot of crap because of his obnoxious public persona, but he is smart enough to listen to his basketball people. I know Donnie wanted this and Dirk did too.

    Interestingly enough, I suspect and there's been some whispers that Avery did not want it to go down, and it's one of the sources of tension between them.
    It doesn't surprise me one bit. If you're the floor general of your team why would you want another one.
    The proof is that he benched kidd in the final minutes of a game as to show him who's the boss. And in case Kidd didn't get it he benched him some more.
    Avery knew that Kidd would threaten his leadership (at least on the offensive end).
    On the other hand, Harris was young and was devoted.

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    It doesn't surprise me one bit. If you're the floor general of your team why would you want another one.
    The proof is that he benched kidd in the final minutes of a game as to show him who's the boss. And in case Kidd didn't get it he benched him some more.
    Avery knew that Kidd would threaten his leadership (at least on the offensive end).
    On the other hand, Harris was young and was devoted.
    It's frustrating because I know we're better than that awful record against good teams. Dirk didn't play in 3 or 4 of them, and all but one of them went to the wire.

    I mean, I like Avery, he did a lot of great things for this team when he took over, but he had Del Harris next to him to help with in-game adjustments and he's gone. I won't be gleeful about Avery getting canned but I think it's necessary.

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    It's frustrating because I know we're better than that awful record against good teams. Dirk didn't play in 3 or 4 of them, and all but one of them went to the wire.

    I mean, I like Avery, he did a lot of great things for this team when he took over, but he had Del Harris next to him to help with in-game adjustments and he's gone. I won't be gleeful about Avery getting canned but I think it's necessary.
    I enjoy the mavs losing because they are our division rivals and they are the last team to beat the spurs but I know a dangerous team when I see one.

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    The Mavs confidence is shot, and the way they are built now is flawed.

    They are done.....

    Jason Kidd can't shoot....and teams will force him too.

    Cuban Screwed the pooch....no matter what Mavs fans say.

    Cuban...screwed the pooch.

    Oh, but hey look at the bright side now both the Mavs and the Rockets are just one Devin Harris style of penetrating PG away from being a real contender, welcome to our world.

    DD
    Last edited by DaDakota; 04-05-2008 at 07:40 AM.

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    The Mavs confidence is shot, and the way they are built now is flawed.

    They are done.....

    Jason Kidd can't shoot....and teams will force him too.

    Cuban Screwed the pooch....no matter what Mavs fans say.

    Cuban...screwed the pooch.

    Oh, but hey look at the bright side now both the Mavs and the Rockets are just one Devin Harris style of penetrating PG away from being a real contender, welcome to our world.

    DD
    America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

    Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat


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    I love how people who are afraid of the truth run and duck for cover, not realizing like the fools they are that they are bumping the post up and making it more visable.

    BRILLIANT !!

    ROFLMAO !!

    DD

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    I love how people who are afraid of the truth run and duck for cover, not realizing like the fools they are that they are bumping the post up and making it more visable.

    BRILLIANT !!

    ROFLMAO !!

    DD
    Hi da_suns_fan.

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    I love how people who are afraid of the truth run and duck for cover, not realizing like the fools they are that they are bumping the post up and making it more visable.

    BRILLIANT !!

    ROFLMAO !!

    DD

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    DD

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    See, even you Mavs fans are starting to come around that the Kidd trade was a bad one overall.

    No more penetrating players to drive in and dish out......

    You don't screw with chemistry.....

    Even if the Mavs squeeze into the playoffs they are a one and done team.....

    Too bad, they WERE contenders until Mark Cuban got antsy.

    DD
    wow, an intelligent post by this guy!!!

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    wow, an intelligent post by this guy!!!
    I squeeze one in every now and again. Usually I am just ahead of everyone else, and eventually people come around and realize I was right all along.



    DD
    Last edited by DaDakota; 04-05-2008 at 10:39 AM.

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    I have to agree with this. Our missing piece is an athletic big that can shotblock and rebound and finish at the rim. Diop is pretty close to being that player. I guess Cuban and Avery don't realize how big that is.
    The loss of Diop was especially bad because the West all of a sudden got bigger in a hurry. The Spurs' continued success forced a lot of people to realize that "run & gun", small-ball offense wasn't going to win Championships. So the Suns and Lakers added big men, and San Antonio followed suit. Dallas, on the other hand, inexplicably, got smaller.

    As a Spurs fan, I was painfully aware of Diop's value. In 2006, when we lost to the Mavs, Diop regularly did a good job of defending and frustrating Duncan. He also protected the rim and got some key rebounds.

    The problem is that a lot of people forget how important big men are in this game. It's really all Jordan's fault. He was so exciting and won so many championships that the league and fans got fooled into thinking that Championship teams could be built around high-scoring guards.

    Well, look at how many regular-season scoring leaders in the past ten years were guards. Kobe, AI and McGrady have a bunch of scoring les. But they also have zero Championships (I'm not including the les Kobe won with Shaq).

    So the fact is that lots of scoring ain't going to necessarily win les. Defense and big men are more important for that.

    The Mavs forgot that. They gave up a big man to add a guy who assists scorers. They didn't need any more scoring. Blame Jordan for that mistake.

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