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I think Malik is still the fourth best player on this team, whether he makes Pop's rotation or not
RIF.Speakad'english!Play him or trade him. Would you retire his number then? Oops, that would be a standard--STFU!Then STFU about Malik getting beat out by guys.
I think Malik is still the fourth best player on this team, whether he makes Pop's rotation or not
I think Malik may very well be the fourth best power forward on this team.I think Malik is still the fourth best player on this team, whether he makes Pop's rotation or not
This is a stupid topic.
Malik or Avery is not worthy of retirement.
That's a really good point and something I didn't consider. The Spurs are a unique franchise in that they are the only sport in town. The relationship between the city and the team is stronger than most. The Spurs could take a different approach in retiring numbers. Most teams are pretty conservative, but there's no reason for the Spurs to follow that path. Especially with players that made it a point to live in SA and participate in the community.
However, retiring his number would seem a little disingenuous considering they tried to trade him all last year (Sean Elliott, I know). Another thing to consider is that he'll be only 34 when his current contract runs out. He may finish his career with another team.
Last edited by sungo99; 01-24-2005 at 11:26 PM.
And only Robinson will have spent more years with the team when that contract runs out...he'll be tied with Duncan for the second most.
No as much as I have liked the guy over the years - game is in decline when it should be still at a higher level etc.
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Malik does not deserve a chance in to have his numbered retired.
Nothing he has done has affected this team in winning ways, he helps off the bench every time and that's all he is, a veteran Spurs bench'er.
Malik, he knows he'll NEVER have his numbered retired, unless he realizes how stupid San Antonians are loving him for being "friendly" and doing things for the community. Until then, he will claim one.
HEh.
How'd I miss this Thread.
They can hang Malik's jersey in the ladies restroom outside section 226.
Shaq would deem Rose's number worthy of retirement.
No
No.
no.
Get a grip.
This is an attempt at sarcasm right?
Maybe we should retire Anthony Carter while we're at it......?
Rose has been my favorite player for the last 4 years and no he does not deserve to have his jersey retired unless he makes a big contribution to the team for the next several years. So far nothing to merit that. Neither does avery he was good pt guard but he frustrated me cause he could not make a freakin layup. Thank you Parker for being able to finish at basket.
By the way has parker dunked the ball this year I kind of think he did once this year. I wonder does Duncan still give him 100 bucks for dunking since he now has a 66 mil contract. I doubt it.
Nope.
no to malik rose
no to avery johnson
I thought Tim was here 1 more year than Rose?
No, Tim and Malik first played with the Spurs in 97.
Malik has been in the league 1 year longer than Duncan though...his first year was in Charlotte.
I've got no problem with people who don't want to see Malik get retired...but just don't vote yes to AJ and then talk about standards when voting against Malik...and once AJ's jersey is retired(and it will be) the standards argument goes out the window...that's one of the reasons I am against AJ's jersey being retired...but once it is...I am going to lobby for some of my favorites that had a similar level of contribution.
Stephen Jackson also hit a shot to win us a le...
AJ was a starter and a leader. He was THE leader. That's the difference.
I'm not saying I would vote to retire his number (I wouldn't), but I can see the case for it, and won't be upset when it happens.
Retiring Malik's number is a joke.
The Leader?
AJ was a replaceable part...an easily replaceable part, so easy that he was replaced the very next year after leaving, with a superior player who won a le at the age of 20.
What ever AJ mythically contributed to the 98-99 champs wasn't as signifigant as Mario Elie calling out the entire team as soft when we were 6-8, and Duncan and Robinson dominating the interior on O and D.
We won a le with a 20 year old taking AJ's spot, we won it 2 years after AJ took his leadership to lead Denver to the lottery...who was the leader on that 03 team? Retire their jersey as well.
In 2 years Parker was able to do with Duncan and an aged Drob what AJ was only able to do once in 4 years with both of them more or less in their primes.
Duncan and Robinson were the engine of that team and Maro Elie was the guy that got into other guys faces and hit the tough perimeter shots...the same recipe was used in 03 with SJax hitting the tough shots.
Be careful about throwing around credit for les...since Malik has been here we've won 2 les in 8 years and AJ was here for 9 and we won 1.
AJ was a starter here moreso because of our bleak guard situation than any earning of the spot.
When we had DA he easily jumped ahead of AJ...and Porter, who was even more ancient, easily beat him out for PT as well.
Regardless of how much you hate him, regardless of how talented he was (or was not), regardless of how much playing time he got or how he compared to other players past or present, regardless of how pathetic our guard situation was from the time Ice left to the time Tony arrived, regardless of who else made contributions to the 99 le:
AJ was unquestionably the leader of the Spurs for his entire tenure with the team. Denying that is ridiculous. Ask David Robinson who the leader was. Ask Sean Elliott who the leader was. Ask Pop who the leader was. Ask freaking Mario Elie who the leader was. They will all give the same answer.
Oh, I forgot, you were actually in the lockerroom, so you know better than any of those people, don't you? They'll all claim the same thing, but they must all be wrong.
By the way, Duncan and Robinson were leaders on the 03 team, and yes, their number will both be retired.
Listen, I don't think AJ should have his number retired, either. But the hate is out of hand. Did he run over your dog or something?
Overrated? Check.
Not so talented? Check.
No jumper? Check.
Starting due primarily to lack of talent in the backcourt? Check.
Team leader? No Question.
No. 6 to be retired? Check.
Slept with Whottt's sister? Apparantly, check.
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