Possible Trade Nearing?????

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just because you say you have more basketball knowledge doesn't mean you do.

I've laid it all out there...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9989

f Malik isn't perfect then he's ing up

the box score. Did the old Malik, the one we all loved, the one who hustled, ever do like the other night when he screwed up, pulled his jersey over his head about it, while his man ran to the other end and scored? no, he hustled his ass back.

Go to the other thread, I've laid it all out there. Malik's stats are on statistical decay the last two years, and if you've been watching the games, the reasons we gave him the contract (you know, hustle, garbage rebounds and buckets) isn't there.

And finally, the game has evolved since 02-03 (Malik's last decent season), there is more length and athetlicism on western front lines, which greatly trumps Malik's 6'3" frame and "short warrior" mentality.

[SPARKY]

Just because you say you have more basketball knowledge doesn't mean you do.

Yet, I do when compared to you.

I've laid it all out there...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9989

And I've ripped it all up there.

the box score.

Funny, you were going by the box score in the other thread.

Did the old Malik, the one we all loved, the one who hustled, ever do like the other night when he screwed up, pulled his jersey over his head about it, while his man ran to the other end and scored? no, he hustled his ass back.

Was the old Lik on the trade block 24/7 before? Christ man this has been going on for two years now. Oh no he made a miscue in a regular season game, we can't have that. If every other Spur was subjected to the nitpicking that Rose is then everyone would end up being benched.

Go to the other thread, I've laid it all out there. Malik's stats are on statistical decay the last two years, and if you've been watching the games, the reasons we gave him the contract (you know, hustle, garbage rebounds and buckets) isn't there.

Oh so now the boxscore matters.

And finally, the game has evolved since 02-03 (Malik's last decent season), there is more length and athetlicism on western front lines, which greatly trumps Malik's 6'3" frame and "short warrior" mentality.

Ha. The Spurs offense has "evolved" in a way that suits Malik even more.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So oh great one, how do we quantify what makes a great player.

I mean, if the box scores don't matter, Rose > Duncan. Rose > Shaq. Rose > Amare. Rose > O'Neal. I mean, he used to hustle.

Good call.

How has the Spurs O evolved in a way that suits Rose? He's only good from about fifteen feet in, hardly enough room to space the floor for Duncan.

In case you didn't notice, this is still about the postseason. Teams are going to pack the lane on us. It's how LA shut down Tim and Tony last year, and it's the only way to shut down all our motion and back cuts that lead to layups, etc.

In short, the ring is still going to come down to the Spurs outside shooters freeing the lane. Rose can't do that. He can't rebound, big guys have been jumping/reaching over him for the last two years. He can't D up, people just turn and shoot over him.

Have you even been watching Spurs ball the last year and a half, or just watching your le Town DVD over and over?

[samikeyp]

Yet, I do when compared to you.

according to who?

and again, what basis of measurement are you using to determine you know more than AHF or anyone else for that matter?

[SPARKY]

Oh good a wiseguy. If you think AHF's posts have merit that says it all.

[dougp]

Then why can't he perform coming off the bench consistently? Barry has come off the bench performing better than him, while maybe a different position, he sure is having better stats, and he started off crappier than Malik has been, and Barry is older and in his first year with the spurs. Why we signed Malik to such a long contract, I don't know ... He needs to go for someone who's younger who can fall into place of being a consistant bench player in his position who can sub in as a big man, which obviously they feel this Raptor can do much better than Rose.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The only one I see on here agreeing with you (at least until Spurgal gets here) is yourself.

I don't think he's being wise, just waiting like me for you to bring anything other than "Holt's cheap, you're an Aggie, Malik did a great job two years ago that justifies his pay now" to the table.

[samikeyp]

Its not a matter of being a wiseguy. It's just a simple question. You claim that you know more that AHF, I was just curious as to how you came to this conclusion. No where in any post did you state that you were expressing an opinion so I can only guess you feel you are stating fact. If that is the case, then a fact can be proven. I invite you to do so.

[SPARKY]

So oh great one, how do we quantify what makes a great player.

I mean, if the box scores don't matter, Rose > Duncan. Rose > Shaq. Rose > Amare. Rose > O'Neal. I mean, he used to hustle.

Good call.

Antoine Carr once averaged 20 points a game for an entire season. Antoine Carr.

How has the Spurs O evolved in a way that suits Rose? He's only good from about fifteen feet in, hardly enough room to space the floor for Duncan.

In case you haven't noticed the Spurs have been enjoying a lot more opportunities to finish at the rim. Also, for all of those incredible outside looks they are shooting much worse from beyond the arc then they have in the past. Malik is the type of 4 you want when you are playing an open court game. If the game slows down then you have yourself a physical big, not a Robert Horry who is bound to get worked over inside.

In case you didn't notice, this is still about the postseason. Teams are going to pack the lane on us. It's how LA shut down Tim and Tony last year, and it's the only way to shut down all our motion and back cuts that lead to layups, etc.

Yes, and last postseason the Spurs were worked over inside and eliminated by a team with a much more physical frontcourt.

In short, the ring is still going to come down to the Spurs outside shooters freeing the lane. Rose can't do that. He can't rebound, big guys have been jumping/reaching over him for the last two years. He can't D up, people just turn and shoot over him.

Here we go again, the refuge of a basketball ignoramus: shooting. Shooting is a byproduct of interior play. If you have nothing going inside, no physical presence up front, then your shooters aren't going to get quality looks.

Have you even been watching Spurs ball the last year and a half, or just watching your le Town DVD over and over?

The sad thing is that you've been watching Spurs basketball and are still unable to figure it out.

[SPARKY]

Its not a matter of being a wiseguy. It's just a simple question. You claim that you know more that AHF, I was just curious as to how you came to this conclusion. No where in any post did you state that you were expressing an opinion so I can only guess you feel you are stating fact. If that is the case, then a fact can be proven. I invite you to do so.

You know what, you spend the rest of this afternoon worrying about it.

[samikeyp]

I don't need to...you are the one who made the claim and you are the one either unable or unwilling to back it up. So either you are a re or a coward. I will let you choose.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Oh I figured it out just fine.

Malik isn't giving us anything anywhere. How can you say you've been watching the games?

Guys shoot over him on offense. They reach/jump over him for boards. They block his shots without even jumping (it usually helps though that Rose is trying to go up with all of his 6'3" on 2-3 guys). He has no range to space the floor.

man, I can't help if you can't open your eyes. If you're gonna be so condescending, at least actually have some semblance of an argument to stand on. You don't (unless you want to talk about '01-'02, then you got me there).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

either you are a re or a coward.

I'm done with this argument. Sparky hasn't proven a thing other than he has the classic NBAdanesque "I'm right, you're wrong" argument down pat.

I've got better things to do with my afternoon than beat up a defenseless loon.

[SPARKY]

I don't need to...you are the one who made the claim and you are the one either unable or unwilling to back it up. So either you are a re or a coward. I will let you choose.

And you're a fat who's worried about what basis I have for a little smack talk on a messageboard.

[SPARKY]

I'm done with this argument. Sparky hasn't proven a thing other than he has the classic NBAdanesque "I'm right, you're wrong" argument down pat.

More gibberish.

I've got better things to do with my afternoon than beat up a defenseless loon.

Yeah, gotta please some sheep no doubt.

[Gummi]

It would be a great trade for us, I think. We would get a big SF that's capable of playing the 4. I haven't seen too many games with the Raptors this season, but Marshall has been in the league for years and I've seen him play many times and I like what he brings to a team. His outside shooting is his main weapon, he runs the floor pretty well to.

But it would surprise me if the Raptors would take Malik's contract for an expiring contract. If it will happen it would be great for us, getting a player that can contribute right away and we also get an expiring contract that would ease our cap. Plus, in my opinion Marshall is a better player overall and suits us better, taller and has range in his shot.

But like many here, I doubt it will happen.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's not smack talk when you're getting your ass beat as bad you are Sparky.

Ouch, the vaunted "sheep" insult. Well, you definitely got me there.

[SPARKY]

Beaten? By you? Ha. You wish little sheep er.

[samikeyp]

And you're a fat who's worried about what basis I have for a little smack talk on a messageboard.

ooh! What's next genius? Nanny nanny boo boo? Dude, I think you are late for study hall!

[SPARKY]

Hey, it's good enough for you.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So far two people have shot you down.

One's now a sheep er, the other a fat .

Gee, and I wonder who feels that they've lost the argument.

I'd hate to hear what you have to say about:

Pop, for not playing him
Tim, for not backing him up
TMass, for beating him out
Marks, for beating him out
Horry, for beating him out

[SPARKY]

Actually Lik has about 4 years and $26.5 million left on his contract after this season.

Lik gives you a forward who can go big and small. He's also a proven playoff performer, unlike some other regular season warriors. It seems like some Spurs fans have forgotten what kind of a hoss Lik has been in the postseason, including the two championship runs. If I need a guy to come in and provide a presence up front I think Lik, not Donyell Marshall. I for one do not find it desirable to see the team drop playoff performers just because they are too cheap to afford the average salary for 4 more seasons.

But fans are fans. They'll fall in love with the Danny Ferrys and Steve Kerrs of the league and dump on everyone else.

[SPARKY]

So far two people have shot you down.

One's now a sheep er, the other a fat .

Gee, and I wonder who feels that they've lost the argument.

I'd hate to hear what you have to say about:

Pop, for not playing him
Tim, for not backing him up
TMass, for beating him out
Marks, for beating him out
Horry, for beating him out

You're not really this stupid, are you?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hey, I'm just trying to bring myself down to your level. Not a damn thing you've said on any of the three posts could be classified as anything other than "stupid."

I mean look at your comment on Ferry/Kerr. Spurs fans love them because they contributed significantly to a past Spurs le run.

It's about the only reason I can tell so far that you love Rose for, maybe you should look in the mirror.

[SPARKY]

You still believe the Spurs were eliminated last year because the shooters went cold, not because the Spurs didn't get enough penetration from their guards which was due in no small part to the lack of physicality in their frontcourt last year.

As long as your starting center is Rasho Nesterovic you need a physical reserve. But you also need one who can beat a 3 toed sloth (or Sean Marks) down the court.

Also, believing that Sean Marks beat anyone out for a spot in the rotation is grounds for dismissal from this forum, I would think.