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    Enough with those excuses. We choked and that's all there is to it. It was good to see Keldon play well, at least.
    I wouldn't call the no call on DD, the no call on the goaltend, and the no call on lebron's charge a choke job.

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    One thing that was great about Keldon tonight was his adjustment to pull up instead of barrel through and pick up a charge. I saw at least one floater and some other adjustments to get a good shot off.
    Yeah and that amazing euro step he did and scored over Davis iirc

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    If the most important thing this year is development-- a theory I actually agree with-- than why are DeRozan & Eubanks getting a combined 61 minutes while Vassell gets zero? What's getting developed there?
    Lonnie, Murray, Keldon, Poetl, White are all being developed.

    Not a popular opinion, but those three wouldn't look as good if they were thrown out there from year one.

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    Lonnie, Murray, Keldon are all being developed.
    Obviously, but that's not my point.

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    Obviously, but that's not my point.
    That's what people mean when they say this year is development... I think that is your point. You're focused on one rook.

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    LakerRef lets Bron-Bron commit offensive foul after offensive foul ala Shaq.
    NBA = ty product.

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    If the most important thing this year is development-- a theory I actually agree with-- than why are DeRozan & Eubanks getting a combined 61 minutes while Vassell gets zero? What's getting developed there?
    I think they learn in compe ive games than from garbage minutes, that means matching the bigs with Eubanks. But instead of Vassell, Luka and Diop should’ve some burn. Spurs seriously need help on bigs, either thru PNR or they wouldn’t guard our bigs.

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    I'm going to bust a myth...

    When people say, "the vets (DeMar, LMA, Rudy) are in the way of the young guys", I think they need to choose their words better.

    The young guys are getting ample time and opportunity. They're getting enough shots for themselves (except in crunch time, I guess).

    I'd say the better wording is... "The vets are in the way of us winning."

    Though I wouldn't even say that's applicable for ALL games we lose. They do help us win sometimes.

    We'll upgrade from these guys soon enough. For now, it's exciting to watch the development of our young trio.

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    That's what people mean when they say this year is development... I think that is your point. You're focused on one rook.
    Nope. I'm focused on all the young guys who will plausibly play important roles in the future... and that's not DeRozan or Eubanks.

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    Nope. I'm focused on all the young guys who will plausibly play important roles in the future... and that's not DeRozan or Eubanks.
    Vassell is going through what all our rookies have historically gone through. He's had opportunities and through those opportunities he's shown he's not on the level of rooks who are too impactful NOT to play (Timmy D, Kawhi, Parker). He's decent, but he's got a lot to learn. Because of this, his minutes are going to be spotty, unless he learns to make the most of his minutes. So far, his handle is a liability out there.

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    Walker was passive again. ...
    Your comments are good about Walker. But I think it needs to be added, the coaching seems to have screwed him up. Those drives you mention, where he contorts and passes, I don't think that kind of thing is his own original idea. He's been overcoached to be a playmaker, is what it looks like to me. Too bad that nobody can tell Pop to go bother somebody else.

    Murray's better, as you say, but he's still impulsive. Not surprising. More experience is the best teacher for that.

    Keldon, the only thing to say is, keep playing him!

    White stepped in, and was easily recognizable as the same player. Good to see.

    Poeltl was fine. ...
    I have to disagree. As a starting 7' center on an NBA team he was not fine at all. If he isn't good enough to compete with the best, he is not good enough for the Spurs, except maybe as a backup. Maybe.

    Eubanks ... tried. Can't fault his effort. But there's lots of players who have tried their best, and are not in the NBA.

    The team needs Aldridge.
    The team needs a young big man who can play the darn game.

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    I'm going to bust a myth...

    When people say, "the vets (DeMar, LMA, Rudy) are in the way of the young guys", I think they need to choose their words better.

    The young guys are getting ample time and opportunity. They're getting enough shots for themselves (except in crunch time, I guess).

    I'd say the better wording is... "The vets are in the way of us winning."

    Though I wouldn't even say that's applicable for ALL games we lose. They do help us win sometimes.

    We'll upgrade from these guys soon enough. For now, it's exciting to watch the development of our young trio.
    I'm going to bust a myth too: a bunch of young players watching DeRozan have the worst body language on the team, emphasize offense over defense, play hero ball in late 4th quarter scenarios, and have a decade's worth of terrible advanced stats that incredibly get even worse come playoff time are not going to "develop" faster.

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    I'm going to bust a myth too: a bunch of young players watching DeRozan have the worst body language on the team, emphasize offense over defense, play hero ball in late 4th quarter scenarios, and have a decade's worth of terrible advanced stats that incredibly get even worse come playoff time are not going to "develop" faster.
    It's fine to hate on DeMar like that (scratch that. Just don't copy duncan2k5's repe ive ass), but to say our young guys are being influenced by DeMar and that their destinies are being controlled by DeMar ... makes it seem as if they're stupid and easily influenced. That's a lack of accountability and I call it BS. They're in control of their own destiny. They're fully grown adults.

    Like I said, they're getting plenty of opportunities.

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    It's fine to hate on DeMar like that, but to say our young guys are being influenced by DeMar and that their destinies are being controlled by DeMar ... makes it seem as if they're stupid and easily influenced. That's a lack of accountability and I call it BS. They're in control of their own destiny. They're fully grown adults.

    Like I said, they're getting plenty of opportunities.

    I don't hate Demar at all. He seems like a pretty cool guy. I just don't think he can play a prominent role on a championship team. And I said nothing about the young guys being too easily influenced or lacking in ability to make smart decisions-- I was simply pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the development angle. I think if DeRozan had never become a Spur and was now on the Clippers, Lakers, 76ers, or Celtics, people here would probably drag out all of the statistical arguments to show how ineffective he is in many situations, but since he's a Spur, the homer gene comes out and so some avoid the obvious like the plague.

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    Isn't that what Drew used to call the spurgy doink eyetester blah blah blah?

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    I don't hate Demar at all. He seems like a pretty cool guy. I just don't think he can play a prominent role on a championship team. And I said nothing about the young guys being too easily influenced or lacking in ability to make smart decisions-- I was simply pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the development angle. I think if DeRozan had never become a Spur and was now on the Clippers, Lakers, 76ers, or Celtics, people here would probably drag out all of the statistical arguments to show how ineffective he is in many situations, but since he's a Spur, the homer gene comes out and so some avoid the obvious like the plague.
    I mean, in some way I agree with this. I think maybe there's a chance there for him to be a 3rd option but unlikely.

    When you point out the development angle, you pointed out DeMar's flaws and how "a bunch of young players watched him". That implied to me that you think his flaws affect the young guys' development, which led to my response of "the young guys are in control of their own destiny and are getting ample opportunities, so why would DeMar affect their development at all".

    I don't know how we aren't on the same page here.

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    We lost but we improved. Improved by gaining experience. As long as we don't lose confidence and understand that we learning.. I think we can overachieve.

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    Dude said Poetl played fine. I guess air balling lay ups is considered fine

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    Lonnie, Murray, Keldon, Poetl, White are all being developed.

    Not a popular opinion, but those three wouldn't look as good if they were thrown out there from year one.
    Not a popular opinion but Poetl isn't developing at all. He still can't shoot free throws or a jumper. He still sucks offensively at pretty much everything and he's stull soft. He also can't guard anybody with actual talent and he still is foul prone and playing 20 minutes a game. Though to be fair, 20 minutes a game would be a career high for him

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    Not a popular opinion but Poetl isn't developing at all. He still can't shoot free throws or a jumper. He still sucks offensively at pretty much everything and he's stull soft. He also can't guard anybody with actual talent and he still is foul prone and playing 20 minutes a game. Though to be fair, 20 minutes a game would be a career high for him
    There's no defending Poetl tonight. All I can say is he's young and hopefully he gets better.

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    I don't hate Demar at all. He seems like a pretty cool guy. I just don't think he can play a prominent role on a championship team. And I said nothing about the young guys being too easily influenced or lacking in ability to make smart decisions-- I was simply pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the development angle. I think if DeRozan had never become a Spur and was now on the Clippers, Lakers, 76ers, or Celtics, people here would probably drag out all of the statistical arguments to show how ineffective he is in many situations, but since he's a Spur, the homer gene comes out and so some avoid the obvious like the plague.
    Do not worry this team is FAR FAR away from even close to sniffing a Championship

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    There's no defending Poetl tonight. All I can say is he's young and hopefully he gets better.
    Man Poodle is so soft he is killing me with his kindness he needs to start to grow a pair and just Man Up. Just go out and play physical and don’t worry about fouling out. I wish Pop would just keep him in until he fouls out just let him play through it’s the only way he is going to figure it out.

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    ST new obssesion Poeltl still leads the team in Net Rtg. This team should be good.

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    Lonnie, Murray, Keldon, Poetl, White are all being developed.

    Not a popular opinion, but those three wouldn't look as good if they were thrown out there from year one.
    Completely disagree...if they were out there from year 1, they may have been stars at this point... Other teams play their first and second round picks from day 1, and now many of those players are players we would want on our team... It's almost like only giving Luka Doncic real minutes in year 3, then saying he only looks good because he was benched his first two years

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    Vassell is going through what all our rookies have historically gone through. He's had opportunities and through those opportunities he's shown he's not on the level of rooks who are too impactful NOT to play (Timmy D, Kawhi, Parker). He's decent, but he's got a lot to learn. Because of this, his minutes are going to be spotty, unless he learns to make the most of his minutes. So far, his handle is a liability out there.
    That's a way of developing young players...teams OUTSIDE of the lottery are giving their draft picks consistent minutes...and we,who are a lottery team is still playing cute with ours...then wonder why they are inconsistent and not confident when they get real playing time...they don't get to learn tendencies of other teams and players sitting on the bench...nothing can simulate playing real games

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