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The only second round Euro I remember getting more than the LLE in this CBA era is Magic Lamp. What a worthwhile decision that was.
Thanks. This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Things simply have changed and a new option for drafting potential may have entered. Characteristically, I went too far in saying the team would NEVER use a 2nd on developing talent, but they'd definitely think twice now. Manu might have been the only steal we ever got for cheap.
Maybe I wasn't explaining the position very well, but
is just about right.But if you draft someone in the second round and then leave them overseas until they become stars in their prime, its only going to get harder to convince them to come over here for the LLE and not suck up at least a chunk of your MLE.
The only second round Euro I remember getting more than the LLE in this CBA era is Magic Lamp. What a worthwhile decision that was.
An Argentine with a ridiculous buyout and a motorcycle accident victim whose agent tried to play hardball once Rasho and Nazr were gone does not a crisis make.is just about right.
No, I mean at that point in their careers, they were still Mahinmi-types, undeveloped. People would have frowned at the picks, but if they had a time machine, the Spurs would have done it. They would have locked two great players into very small contracts. Drafting them with late 2nd rounders, which we exulted as draft day coups for years, turned out to not have worked out at all.
Call me when either show up in the league and start posting double doubles every night.turned out to not have worked out at all.
Otherwise you're just another whiny Euro coattail rider.
Let's leave science fiction out of this, shall we? We're getting into a whole weird area here.No, I mean at that point in their careers, they were still Mahinmi-types, undeveloped. People would have frowned at the picks, but if they had a time machine, the Spurs would have done it.
Scola can make significantly more than the LLE by signing an extension with Tau. Even if he didn't have a buyout, do you think he comes over here for that?
The sky isn't falling. The world is not ending. We don't have to abandon any hope of ever getting a Euro in the second round.
But as salaries continue to climb in Europe, I think you would have to be a bit oblivious to think that top Europeans earning multi-millions in Italy or Spain are always going to be happy to give up a bunch of salary in their prime earning years for the honor of playing in the NBA.
The Spurs hate using 1st roound picks unless they're getting something good, and now they're going to go back in time and use them on 2 guys that they could have had here this year but choose not to bring in?
Dude, I don't think you understand the reason the Spurs 2nd round picks are overseas:
Because the Spurs want them to be.
Fine. I'm saying what looked to be crafty really caused some problems in the end and weren't the 'steals' they seemed on the face of it. It'll work out great when they trade Scola's rights, translating a late 2nd into something much better, but with an expensive market, the Spurs should expect to have to pay young developing talent drafted in the 2nd, if they come around, a lot of money.
If he wants to play in the NBA. If not, he makes more in Europe.
The root of the problem here is that Mr. Body is failing to realize the reason the Spurs are not bringing these players over isn't because they are too expensive.
For the next CBA there could either be a cap on 1st contracts for second rounders or the second round will be done away with altogether, depending on which side uses the issue as a bargaining chip.
Good, let him stay over there, because he obviously isn't worth it. Then 30 years from now he can tell all his grandkids about how he could have played with three-time world champs for another world championship, but he was too greedy to do it.Scola can make significantly more than the LLE by signing an extension with Tau. Even if he didn't have a buyout, do you think he comes over here for that?
Yeah, Manu sure gave up a lot by coming and playing for the LLE those first two years. I'm sure the 10 million a year he's making now kills him every day.But as salaries continue to climb in Europe, I think you would have to be a bit oblivious to think that top Europeans earning multi-millions in Italy or Spain are always going to be happy to give up a bunch of salary in their prime earning years for the honor of playing in the NBA.
Javtokas supposedly signed for 2 million in Europe. After you take out all the taxes over there, he probably made what a shade over a mil? He could have come here and had no state income tax, and if he proved he was worth it two years from now he could have been signing a contract for ten times what he will ever earn in Europe.
Great ing call there. I'm with LJ, it doesn't sound like the dude wants to come here and play. So let him rot in Europe, and hopefully Spurs fans will quit ing about him not coming when he won't step up to the plate.
There is this heart-felt faith many Spurs fans have that players should take very little money to play for the team. And that the FO, by offering less than half market value, will be able to land good players left and right. And that, when those players think twice about it (feeling undervalued, or feeling they can lead just as nice lives playing somewhere else), those fans get pretty vindictive. Vindictive against those players ("what, you don't want to win [those obviously forthcoming] championships?!") and against those who defend them.
But.... *shrugs*
Unless you prove to me that Corsley Edwards would've been a better choice at #57, this argument doesn't hold alot of water.
Guys like Scola are the best gambles at that draft level for at worst precisely the reason you listed above, and at best you get Manu. All you need is a player that believes in himself enough to pay his dues and smart enough not to have a huge buyout.
If Scola didn't have that buyout, he'd be over here right now for the LLE.
He wouldn't have taken the LLE.
If he didn't have his buyout you don't think he'd have taken the LLE? Um, why?
I'm thinking he'll be telling his grandkids about the le(s) he won with Argentina before the les he won with any pro team -- whether it's in Euroleague or here.
He's a star for his country. And by the way, he's also a star in the second-best pro league in the world. That's not so bad.
And yeah, we can say "he can rot over there if he doesn't want to play here." But what it means is that we ended up wasting a pick, which is a shame on our end.
You think Macijauskas and Oberto are celebrating coming to the NBA? I bet it was a lot more fun in Europe.
Not really. Playing in Europe for a better contract, fighting for Euroleague les and respect, is much more attractive than getting San Antonio pennies. These players are making money to last the rest of their lives in comfort, more often than not. Good luck trying to "find the next Manu" in this market. Manu comes out now? He doesn't take the LLE.
Garbajosa is getting $4M at Toronto. He can make more at TAU.
This makes total sense to me.
strangeweather, sorry for drawing you into this. The reality of the market clearly has changed. I understand people ferociously defending their team, but I'm sure the FO is recognizing the problems.
Scola is making more in Europe right now. Why does he want to come to the NBA?
Because he wants to play in the NBA.
I have absolutely zero doubt that if Scola didn't have that buyout, he's here for the LLE. If it was just about making the money he is in Europe, his agent woudln't make such a big deal about the Spurs not signing him.
There are tons of players out there who could play overseas for more money, but overseas is not the NBA.
I'm big in favor of this.For the next CBA there could either be a cap on 1st contracts for second rounders or the second round will be done away with altogether, depending on which side uses the issue as a bargaining chip.
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