The front office isn't dealing with free agents. They're dealing with players to whom they have exclusive rights which is a of a tool to gain leverage.
Says who? You? Manu has proven twice that money isn't everything with him, so you really can't play that card. I don't think many are like him though -- few are that confident to wait for the payday, they'll just take 10 year deals with huge buyouts.
Which one? The two are diametrically oposed.
Which one? You should only be in favor of the second option if you're a member of the players association or a potential NBA player.
The league/Player's Assoc. looking into it. There should be a pay scale for 2nd rounders if they're signed.
There is a heart-felt faith some Spurs fans have that any Euro they signed and scores more than 5 points per game in Euro ball is worth 50 million over five years.There is this heart-felt faith many Spurs fans have that players should take very little money to play for the team.
There is a heart-felt faith that some Spurs fans have that even though we hold a player's rights and the exclusive right to negotiate with, we should treat them like free agent rock stars and throw gobs of money at them.
But.... *shrugs*
I wouldn't have stepped in it if I hadn't been willing to take it on.
Also, I don't think defending the team should even be necessary -- the team did what they thought was best, and Javtokas did what he thought was best. So it goes.
Mr. Body, we get it - you think Scola and Javtokas are both worth the max. Obviously the Spurs don't. *shrugs*
I gotta say, Mr. Body has been all over the map today. Its impressive. Not really.
How many BS i must to read
Manu isnīt a Sudamerican, Northamerican, european or Chinesse player
Is an ET, he never was a little worry about the money, because he want to Win
When he was a restricted player, he was in Denver and Phoenix, because if not, the Spurs were to offer him 1 Coke and an Icecream
He listen a few thing from the other Teams, but he want to remain in the Spurs
There wasnīt any problem or troubles and he was a Resctricted Free agent, and 2 millions was not a difference, like TP, who when the Spurs Offered 64 he wanted 66, and someones sayed "2 Millions for 6 years arenīt too much", but TP wanted that 2 more millions becouse if not, he donīt signed, and at this points, TP had 1 year of contract left
So, you canīt say "Lose some Money if you want to play in the NBA", because nobody is going to change his Job for less Money
The REal Fact is:
Javtokas and Scola are slaves of the Spurs Draft Picks, like too many players, because when 1 team selected you, you have only one chance to play in the NBA, but if not you have 30 teams possibles, so is a "Sign for that money if you want to play in the NBA, because if not you must to play in Europe"
In the Land of Freedom, you arenīt free
Probably that things must to be corrected, because somebody selected in 2002, must to have a chance in the 2006 to play, and this thing donīt happen
Mr. Body= More Body than Brains
Javtokas and Scola have agents, sign contracts, and negotiate to be paid millions of dollars to play basketball. The idea that they are anything approaching slaves is perhaps the most ing re ed thing EVER. Nobody forced Scola to sign a ing ten year contract. Scola's european agent, the one who started this whole "slave" thing, is a moron and isn't even Scola's representative to the NBA. Jav could have been here and made millions of dollars if he so chose. He didn't. That's life. "Land of freedom". Whatever happened to the land of personal reponsibility? They can go get a job at ing Starbucks if they are so ing mistreated.
more BS
The NBA pay millions dollards for players, who only have 7 Foots and only form make fouls
The Teams pays Full MLE for a 8 Points and 6 rebounds center, and want to pay LLE for an "european" 20 Points and 8 rebounds players
The Real fact is a Top European player like Anthony Parker signed a 3 years 12 millions as Free Agent with Toronto, Oberto whoīs not an All Eropean team like Scola, Signed a 4 years 3 7.5 Millions contract, Nocioni 3 yrs - 10 millions, Jasikevicius 3 years - 12 millions ŋWhy because are Free Agents and they have the choice to select a team, when one team have your rights, you must to sign a LLE Contract Like Manu in 2002
Obviously iīm from Argentina and look at this players
4 Players in the NBA (Manu-Delfino-Oberto-Nocioni) and 1 Drafted player (Scola)
Oberto (FA)Signed a 3 years contract as Free Agent: · Years 7.5 Millions contract
Manu (Drafted): Signed a 2 years 2.1 millions contract (And he pay his buyout)
Nocioni (FA) : Signed a 3 years 10 millions contract
Delfino (Drafted) Signed by Rookies scale for 750.000 1st year contract
Scola (Drafted) Donīt signed yet
The Score is:
Free Agents (Oberto and Chapu) 5.8 Millions 1st year contracts
Drafteds (Delfino and Manu) 1.85 Millions contracts
So, what is better?, to be a Free Agent or to be Drafted
Will the knicks match? hopefully not.
I don't think anyone is saying it is better for a player to be a drafted if they have skills. But this is a business, and not charity.
well oberto had to wait until he was 29 to get the privilege of being a free agent, so keep that in mind.
also, if scola had not signed a 10 year deal, he could have sat out a year (on his own free will) and then the spurs would have lost his draft rights.
people who compare that to slavery a) don't know the meaning of the word and b) don't understand the NBA's draft rules.
What's "market value" for a ing second round pick? I guarantee you that most of them would cream their pants for a LLE contract. The reality is that a player can make more in Europe than an entry level NBA contract, but if he makes it in the NBA, his salary will blow Europe money out of the water. A confident player would take the two year apprenticeship, then cash in.
Anthony Parker fa big differnece
and he got peanuts last time he came over
he was a nba player at one time then got better
For Javtokas obviuosly twice as much as the spurs offered.
just because he wants it doesn't mean that it's market value.
When's the last day Knicks can match?
Mr. Body should read this over and over until he gets it.The reality is that a player can make more in Europe than an entry level NBA contract, but if he makes it in the NBA, his salary will blow Europe money out of the water. A confident player would take the two year apprenticeship, then cash in.
I don't doubt any of it. The problem is those players would make more money playing for another NBA team than the Spurs. That's what's called "market value." If the Spurs think they can draft people in the 2nd round and trap them into taking very low salaries because they have no other NBA options, then they're going to burn a lot of bridges in the long run. The top European teams are going to offer larger contracts, too, meaning more overseas compe ion. Hope that works out for them.
Queue the "well, we dinnnt wannnt demm anyway!" blubbering.
It's a poker game, Body, and they (second round picks) don't have the cards. Their options are to knuckle under and take what is offered, or go and play at the kiddie table.
You obviously don't understand what "market value" means. Market value means what do most of group X get for their services. For second round picks, I guarantee you that the average is well below the LLE. That's just a fact. Their market IS their drafting team, and no others.The problem is those players would make more money playing for another NBA team than the Spurs. That's what's called "market value."
If the kiddie table is offering more guaranteed money, it won't look so bad to a lot of players. The ABA collected some decent players back in the day by making it easier to get paid.
This is even more true for guys looking to come over at 26 or 27 -- even if they get to cash in on a followup contract, how many years will they get to collect at that higher salary, anyway?
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