Stoudemire and Diaw have to be Suspended

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

using the number of free throws is the worst possible argument. It just shows that for once the Spurs are getting called for fould they commit. They are a good defensive team, but also commit A LOT of contact each and every play, and are getting called for it when it is to much. The officiaiting was very fair for once like I said, and the Spurs failed when it mattered. It's because they are not nearly as talented as the Suns, and need a lot of help to keep up with a team like them and the Mavs.

That's right, it's fair when Raja elbows people like Oberto. When Bowen knees Nash the Spurs are obviously cheaters and the league is helping them out.

You're not even a good troll. At least bring the logic up to a fifth grade level.

[Spider TX]

Fans like you are just as boring as your damn team. You whine and cry every time a Duncan shot off the glass doesn't go in (which is rare), because you think the only possible way he misses a shot is because he's fouled. if he were 10-17 shooting in a game, you would whine saying he must have been fouled 7 times, maybe even more, but he's just so good that they should always go in. Manu is a terrible shooter when he tries to get inside, but you always try and cry foul when he misses.

The Spurs lost last night because they faltered down the stretch and the Suns defense stepped up, but when the Spurs had a chance to hit a big basket and bring it to a 1 point game right before the foul, Manu missed a wide open layin. Not even a Suns player anywhere close. That my friend, was hysterical, and a big contributing facto to the loss.

[Spider TX]

I hope Stoudemire is out for the rest of the series.

At this point, would be the only chance the Spurs have.

[Gros Membres!]

TrueHoop (ESPNs basketball blog) breaks down the refs and their calls from a non-biased angle and ends up with the Suns +5, in the fourth quarter alone. If you do not understand the meaning of a +5 I suggest you do. For the actual analysis check out - http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...the-Calls.html
Mods please remove if this is an unacceptable link. Thanks.

As far as the Suns being better and getting a 4 game sweep, not so sure about that. In fact, it's just not the case. The series is tied 2-2. In reality. Calls could have gone either way but games were won convincingly by both squads. I find the argument that the Suns are BETTER basketball players to be just ridiculous and entrenched firmly in fandom - would you take Tim Duncan or Stoudemire first in a draft? Me, I'd take Timmy every time (Better defender, low post player, jump shooter, leader, wouldn't leave the bench, etc). Nash or Parker? I'd go Nash here. Manu or Marion? Toss up for me. I like Manu's intangibles more.

I am slightly embarrassed for a Suns fan who would actually believes in the line of logic that the Spurs have gotten all the breaks and should have been swept. I would check this TrueHoop article and get back to me. So far it has been a series of intangibles and D'Antonio said himself at the press conference that the series has been a matter of baskets separating wins from losses. Right now it's a split and I'm curious to see just how much the league will break the rules for Stoudemire's own stupidity.

[Oh, Gee!!]

At this point, would be the only chance the Spurs have.

a win is a win

[sammy]

What the is wrong with you? Are you really that dillusional of a fan? Your team absolutely chokes the game away when it matter, the Suns hit their shots, and you go and cry like this about the officiating, which was extremely fair tonight for the first time in the series. The Spurs have gotten every break from the officials up till now, but even then, I realize the Suns cost themselves game 3 for the most part even with bad officiating putting Amare on the bench most of that game. The refs did absolutely nothing to cost the Spurs game 4 last night, the Spurs did that to themselves. And then on top of that, Horry becomes the damn child that he is and lays the small Nash out like that.

The ONLY way the Spurs manage to win this series is if Amare and Diaw happen to be suspended, because the Suns are far and away the more talented team, and without the help of the officials, this series very well could have already been over with a quick 4 game sweep by the Suns. The Spurs are good, don't get me wrong, but they need extra help when facing a team like this who is clearly better than them.

Your ing team got bailed out! Give me a break! With all of the whining and crying like es they had the refs with them! These assholes on your team get away with cheap shots and no calls or suspensions! Game 1 Bell throws an elbow to Manu's head, Game 2 Diaw/Barbosa undercuts Parker and Game 3 Marion rakes a hand across Manu's eye and no fines or suspensions!
Rules are rules, it's not the Spurs fault if Diaw and Stoudemire has the brains of a pea! They knew better than to run out on the court! The Spurs bench didn't do that so give me a break! Diaw has been a non-factor in this series and Stoudemire has been in foul trouble so it won't matter we can still win anyway, but the rules are rules! It will set a precident that any player can run onto the floor when there is a fight if they don't enforce it!

[somerset]

Spoo fans are the dumbest fans on earth period. They have nothing else in that dirty stinky town. They are the dumbest people on the planet. They act as if they know everything about basketball because that cheap dirty team won 2 (TWO) championships so they think they know all about the the game. They are PRAYING the two Suns starters get suspended for doing nothing. Support a technicality of a rule that had absolutly nothing to do with this game. You idiots should say the rule is dumb and absolutly should not apply here period. Anyone who supports the two Suns to get suspened over NOTHING, you are selfish losers who need to stop watching basketball , go get therapy and quit leaving ur pathetic llife through a dirty cheap NBA team known as Spoo's. Now all you Spoo fans go yourselves and shower everyday. Maybe that will help with the city stinch

[Spider TX]

Truehoop has as much credibility as you or I do man. Don't take much of that with any seriousness.

As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.

And to even consider Manu over Marion is a big joke. Manu is terrible when he attempts to go inside. He is decent fom the outside. But he definitely can flop better than anyone else in the NBA, so if we consider that, then maybe, just maybe.

The Spurs probably should have lost game 1, but Nash was out for a crucial time of the game. Game 3 had Amare playing 19 minutes, and it was still pretty close late, and could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks and shots falling.

[Gros Membres!]

Spoo fans are the dumbest fans on earth period. They have nothing else in that dirty stinky town. They are the dumbest people on the planet. They act as if they know everything about basketball because that cheap dirty team won 2 (TWO) championships so they think they know all about the the game. They are PRAYING the two Suns starters get suspended for doing nothing. Support a technicality of a rule that had absolutly nothing to do with this game. You idiots should say the rule is dumb and absolutly should not apply here period. Anyone who supports the two Suns to get suspened over NOTHING, you are selfish losers who need to stop watching basketball , go get therapy and quit leaving ur pathetic llife through a dirty cheap NBA team known as Spoo's. Now all you Spoo fans go yourselves and shower everyday. Maybe that will help with the city stinch

Thanks for chiming in.

Just for the record, it is 3 championships. My bath is calling me...

[mabber]

Truehoop has as much credibility as you or I do man. Don't take much of that with any seriousness.

As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.
And to even consider Manu over Marion is a big joke. Manu is terrible when he attempts to go inside. He is decent fom the outside. But he definitely can flop better than anyone else in the NBA, so if we consider that, then maybe, just maybe.

The Spurs probably should have lost game 1, but Nash was out for a crucial time of the game. Game 3 had Amare playing 19 minutes, and it was still pretty close late, and could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks and shots falling.

Duncan does a lot of things better than Amare.

[Spider TX]

a win is a win

In that sense, you are absolutely right. But for you to plea for that help to get that win is pretty lame.

[Spider TX]

Duncan does a lot of things better than Amare.

No, in all reality, thats about the only thing he does better, because if you want to argue defense, then you may be fair with that, but he sure as cannot stop Amare, and when playing against one another, thats when it matter.

Oh, he can also have that whiny what did I do wrong face better. So I'll give you that.

[Amare_32]

If JRich and Bowen are allowed to play then the NBA has no justification for suspending Horry,Diaw or Stoudemire. Besides that I don't think the League will actually suspend anybody. The last thing they need is critcs saying the series was tainted as a result of the suspensions. Besides how are they going to prove that Amare had any intent other then checking back into the game? No punches were thrown. Amare did not go running up to Horry to confront him. The refs never lost control of the situation.

[Oh, Gee!!]

In that sense, you are absolutely right. But for you to plea for that help to get that win is pretty lame.

dude, you have like 3 posts. Shut up

[Spider TX]

well thought out response Gee! Proud of you.

[DDS4]

I don't want any suspensions at all.

But I'm pretty shocked that Horry lost his cool.

[Booyah30]

I heard the decision will be made at 12:00 eastern time

[Gino20]

If JRich and Bowen are allowed to play then the NBA has no justification for suspending Horry,Diaw or Stoudemire. Besides that I don't think the League will actually suspend anybody. The last thing they need is critcs saying the series was tainted as a result of the suspensions. Besides how are they going to prove that Amare had any intent other then checking back into the game? No punches were thrown. Amare did not go running up to Horry to confront him. The refs never lost control of the situation.

It does not matter if he had intent or not. You can make an arguement both ways regarding this topic. Checking back into the game requires the player to stay off the court till he successfully checks in. Amare clearly left the bench and stepped on the court. If they were serious about Amare checking backing into the game, why was the assitant holding him back? I am sorry, but everyone knows that is just a cover up. I don't think the league will buy it. Just to add, I don't want anyone to get suspended either...

[Kermit]

No, in all reality, thats about the only thing he does better, because if you want to argue defense, then you may be fair with that, but he sure as cannot stop Amare, and when playing against one another, thats when it matter.

Oh, he can also have that whiny what did I do wrong face better. So I'll give you that.

he throws amare all the time. duncan owns amare.

[Amare_32]

It does not matter if he had intent or not. You can make an arguement both ways regarding this topic. Checking back into the game requires the player to stay off the court till he successfully checks in. Amare clearly left the bench and stepped on the court. If they were serious about Amare checking backing into the game, why was the assitant holding him back? I am sorry, but everyone knows that is just a cover up. I don't think the league will buy it. Just to add, I don't want anyone to get suspended either...

Yes it might be a cover but the League might use that to avoid suspending players. I doubt Stern wants to subject himself to criticisms if the suspensions cost the Suns a chance to win the series.

[Amare_32]

I heard the decision will be made at 12:00 eastern time

For real?

[Gros Membres!]

[QUOTE=Spider TX]Truehoop has as much credibility as you or I do man. Don't take much of that with any seriousness. [QUOTE=Spider TX]

Hilarious. I actually enjoy breaking down the game in terms of +/- and not just watching the highlights on ESPN. If you look at the play-by-play analysis you can see where some of the momentum changes (Duncan's erroneous charge, strange moving charge call with a flop by Bell, bad call on the TD travel - pivot foot was planted, and Parker's foul on Barbosa's +1 - same play not called on the other end). I hate to see the Spurs whine and will not proceed to call refs and say the Spurs are more talented, etc. I just think it's interesting that the Suns were +5 in the 4th on San Antonio's home court after a week of Stoudemire calling the Spurs dirty.


[QUOTE=Spider TX] As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.
[QUOTE=Spider TX]

I would say Tim is a better defender in the low-post. Hence, the Kurt Thomas experiment. Plus, I appreciate the art of great D more than showboat O.


[QUOTE=Spider TX] And to even consider Manu over Marion is a big joke. Manu is terrible when he attempts to go inside. He is decent fom the outside. But he definitely can flop better than anyone else in the NBA, so if we consider that, then maybe, just maybe. [QUOTE=Spider TX]

Perfect. I like Marion's length. Where you dislike Gino's inside game I really cannot stand Marion's lowpost game. Oh, wait. He doesn't have one.

The Spurs probably should have lost game 1, but Nash was out for a crucial time of the game. Game 3 had Amare playing 19 minutes, and it was still pretty close late, and could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks and shots falling.

It's called basketball and there is some strategy involved. Not necessarily the Nash thing but I do belive getting Amare in foul trouble was part of a strategy and it worked.

I'll be curious to see how this suspension business pans out. I'd be really, really suprised if it happens. I would hope Suns fans also want to see the Spurs at full strength.

[Booyah30]

Yup

[Gino20]

Yes it might be a cover but the League might use that to avoid suspending players. I doubt Stern wants to subject himself to criticisms if the suspensions cost the Suns a chance to win the series.

I would agree with you, but it is pretty obvious...We all know how Stern operates in these situations as well. He is damn strict! Which sucks sometimes....

[Soul_Patch]

As far as TD or Amare, Amare every time. More physical, much younger, can run with a player like Nash much better. The only real thing TD does better is the bank shot.

This has to be the most ludicrous ive ever heard. Id like to see one person (who isnt a blind homer) agree with you.


Amare owns TD one on one?!?! have you ever seen a suns v spurs basketball game?

If amare can ever get his head out of his ass long enough to stay on teh court and play, Duncan absolutely dominates him 1v1. The ONLY way Amare puts up the numbers he does is because he has a guard who draws defense away from him and gives him open runs at the hoop.


You have seriously shown some really blind ignorance in those two posts...wow.