Food stamp cuts hit 9 million elderly and disabled people

[vy65]

You having a difficult time figuring the connection between severance of food aid and starvation. That is pretty sad.

We're talking about what was accomplished by posting those pictures. Not food aid. Try again RJ.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol, ad hominem.

What do you expect when you post a bunch of drivel that applies to nothing?

[RandomGuy]

What I find laughable is that being hungry is not the same as starvation, but you liberal leaning ones are calling it starvation.

them. Let them starve. Social Darwinism is my solution.

Children who should've never been born ... Yeah, let 'em starve-

Direct quotes to direct questions regarding what to be done with the innocent children. Click the links to see the full thing in context.

Not my words.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We're talking about what was accomplished by posting those pictures. Not food aid. Try again RJ.

Well you certainly are trying to frame the argument but that is not what the overarching discussion is about. He is posting pictures of kids that go without food because of the OP and the subsequent discussion. It's not hard to get right back to the subject at hand. You said you had difficulty determining a causal link. I gave it to you. Its your problem if you are too obtuse or fixated on something else to figure it out.

You guys are so busy trying to obscure the forest for these trees. It's a cliched sophist tactic. You have no interest in arguing the subject on merit anymore. Why not Sally Struthers right?

[DeadlyDynasty]

So you are going to ignore the actual demographic of people that receive food stamps as was pointed out in the beginning of the thread.

Well, considering this has devolved into a shameless exploitation of African children instead...uh, yeah...

[RandomGuy]

Well you certainly are trying to frame the argument but that is not what the overarching discussion is about. He is posting pictures of kids that go without food because of the OP and the subsequent discussion. It's not hard to get right back to the subject at hand. You said you had difficulty determining a causal link. I gave it to you. Its your problem if you are too obtuse or fixated on something else to figure it out.

You guys are so busy trying to obscure the forest for these trees. It's a cliched sophist tactic. You have no interest in arguing the subject on merit anymore. Why not Sally Struthers right?

Pretty much. When all fails, wow 'em with youtubes.

They ask for my schema, whine when they don't get it, then ignore when it is given to them.

Butthurt anyone?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Direct quotes to direct questions regarding what to be done with the innocent children. Click the links to see the full thing in context.

Not my words.

Oh so so he is being a coy, dissembling bag too then?

I am curious if he did it because he cannot keep track of his own bull or if he instead is trying to be deceptive. Either way: what an ass.

[DeadlyDynasty]

"You shouldn't have kids if you can't afford them." - RandomCuck

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, considering this has devolved into a shameless exploitation of African children instead...uh, yeah...

This was no natural process. You guys are trying pretty hard to derail it at this point.

[RandomGuy]

What do you expect when you post a bunch of drivel that applies to nothing?

[DeadlyDynasty]

This was no natural process. You guys are trying pretty hard to derail it at this point.

Didn't figure you for a liar. This was initially about the elderly and disabled. Who spammed pics of emaciated Ethiopians?

[RandomGuy]

So back to this. I think I am done rubbing your nose in the you left on the floor.

You are a bit young, so you probably don't remember much about the welfare debates in the mid- to late nineties when the system was overhauled.

At that time, people who tend to think like you, and people who tend to think like me both agreed that adding in features to what is commonly called "welfare" to encourage personal responsibility was a good idea. I spent a good deal of time combing through the peer-reviewed research available at the time.

My schema is to simply offer help to those who need it, with means testing for income level, limited lifetime potential benefits, and other things.

I accept, and have fully noted, that some lazy s will abuse the system. I view this as a cost to be borne for helping those who really need it. The amount of assistance available generally does not provide more than a bare subsistence level living, so if people who are lazy want to live in that kind of misery, about all one can do is offer them job training, and if they want to improve their lives, they can.

Further, if you want to assert that this is a huge problem, then tell me what the scope of that problem is, with some definitions, solid evidence that is as objective as possible, and then we can find some public policy options that make sense in the real world.

What I will grant:
Useless s exist.
Some useless s get money from the government, and this enables them to be useless s, for as long as they want to.

What needs to be proven:
Exactly which programs give money to these people.
What percentage of funds go to these people.
How exactly do we identify these people.

If you want to change something, you need to have a concrete solution. I will assume you aren't serious about killing children by withholding food, and would prefer something else, although that is a tenuous assumption on my part.

(sigh)

[RandomGuy]

Didn't figure you for a liar. This was initially about the elderly and disabled. Who spammed pics of emaciated Ethiopians?

Actually, I have only shown one picture of any starving "ethiopian".

The other pictures I have repeatedly shown were of european children.

Fact fail.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Didn't figure you for a liar. This was initially about the elderly and disabled. Who spammed pics of emaciated Ethiopians?

Come now, DD. As has been pointed out, RG didn't start the starvation talk. vy straight out said it let the kids starve. RG quoted the problems of starvation and put up one picture.

So now you characterize it as spam?

You can try to characterize it one way and then call me a liar but its utterly disingenuous.

[DeadlyDynasty]

RG, Do you always meltdown like this when you're flustered? Remember that time (errr...last night) when you brought your uterine cramp takes to the Club and NFL forum?

[RandomGuy]

So you are going to ignore the actual demographic of people that receive food stamps as was pointed out in the beginning of the thread.

Pretty much. The people who hate poor people tend to be too lazy to actually try to identify the people they say they hate.

Giving them actual data on the subject is pearls before swine, it seems. (shakes head)

[RandomGuy]

Come now, DD. As has been pointed out, RG didn't start the starvation talk. vy straight out said it let the kids starve. RG quoted the problems of starvation and put up one picture.

So now you characterize it as spam?

You can try to characterize it one way and then call me a liar but its utterly disingenuous.

You have to look back on page ten or so.

I posted about 5 or 6 pictures of what his social policy looks like in Eastern Europe, and it got him all butthurt when he had to look at it. I posted it again for maximum butthurt.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you always meltdown like this when you're flustered? Remember that time (errr...last night) when you brought your uterine cramp takes to the Club and NFL forum?

If he is melting down then is certainly not the only one. Why are you giving vy a pass? He has been packing gauze in his ass for several days now. It's also evident that you are irritable as well.

I think all of us have been 'irritated' in this conversation but I hardly see what difference that makes. Stoicism is not strength.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Actually, I have only shown one picture of any starving "ethiopian".

and what does that have to do with our government curbing foodstamps?

The other pictures I have repeatedly shown were of european children.

and what does that have to do with our government curbing foodstamps?

[RandomGuy]

Why should I give a about your or any other bottom feeder who sees me as a ticket to providing them with money

Who decides what sacrifice from whom?

... I don't believe in living to provide for the mass of human filth that is the poor.

Poor = people on the government dole (i.e., TANF and SNAP) = filth

them. Let them starve. Social Darwinism is my solution.

Children who should've never been born ... Yeah, let 'em starve-

Of course, I don't even have to speculate what your choice of social policy looks like for the children of this filth. It is fully in place in parts of eastern europe.



















I most explicitly think: letting children starve is horrible. I desire as little of it as possible.

Here, I'll spam it again, so you can whine about how unfair I am.

(apologies to people who don't think starving poor children is a desirable social policy, they are hard to look at for non-evil people)

[RandomGuy]

and what does that have to do with our government curbing foodstamps?



and what does that have to do with our government curbing foodstamps?

The picture was actually referenced by the wikipedia article blurb. You probably didn't read that far, it was too "medical-y" for you, I'm sure.

The european children pictured, as noted were a direct representation of what your preferred social policy looks like in action.

[DeadlyDynasty]

If he is melting down then is certainly not the only one. Why are you giving vy a pass? He has been packing gauze in his ass for several days now. It's also evident that you are irritable as well.

I think all of us have been 'irritated' in this conversation but I hardly see what difference that makes. Stoicism is not strength.

We had a conversation like this a few months ago, but I'm skeptical of social crusaders who rarely, if ever, have to put up with the people they're championing--his supposed soup kitchen anecdotes aside...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and what does that have to do with our government curbing foodstamps?



and what does that have to do with our government curbing foodstamps?

Wrong question.

You guys repeatedly said 'let them starve.' You still hold that position?

[RandomGuy]

We had a conversation like this a few months ago, but I'm skeptical of social crusaders who rarely, if ever, have to put up with the people they're championing--his supposed soup kitchen anecdotes aside...

(Shrugs)

I have directly known some useless people, and some non-useless people that have drawn benefits.

Feel free to address my serious post at any time.

Define the problem, scope and magnitude. Identify who we need to kick off the rolls so we can help useful people.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We had a conversation like this a few months ago, but I'm skeptical of social crusaders who rarely, if ever, have to put up with the people they're championing--his supposed soup kitchen anecdotes aside...

why on earth do you keep that job?