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Spurs are interested in a third team in the trade taking Kuzma.
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i have absolutely zero interest in kuzma
Ya. More about replacing two guys who have asked out (Fournier and now Grimes) with 2 vets that are better players than Fournier and not taking on money next year.
Fournier has negative value and has been very vocal on asking out. Doug and Cedi are both much better players and NY can use the shooting. Grimes has some value, but NY obv doesnt want to pay him, minimized his role and now he is asking out publicly.
Not sure what value Grimes has, especially attaching Fournier to him, but getting 2 legit rotational level players who are not malcontent alongside maybe some 2nds may be best they can do?
Which doesn’t bother me since Doug/Cedi likely gone anyways and Spurs shopping them. At least SA gets a look at a general younger talent that’s cheap for a year so to me that’s worth any headache especially with Barlow getting more run etc…
Grimes is out of the functional consistent rotation and has asked out….think it’s combo of NY not having a spot for him for whatever reason, not wanting to extend him and him wanting out. Thats 2 guys (Fournier + Grimes) wanting out and a team in SA that has some vets that can help IMO. Especially since I think both Fournier and Grimes would be happy to be in SA for various reasons (Fournier has mentioned Spurs/Pop/Wemby and Grimes would have a shot to earn some real minutes IMO)
I did not know Grimes was asking out, so thanks for that context. I believe Fournier is expiring though, so I’m not sure he is that much of a negative asset. (Just checked Spotrac, and yep, Fournier has a club option next year which will undoubtedly be declined so he is an expiring).
Grimes would definitely be a decent roll of the dice for a backup SG, so I dig it… but maybe we have to include some SRPs to grease the wheels on your hypothetical deal?
In all honestly though, I could see both Doug and Cedi back next year. A vet min deal for Doug and maybe like a 2/$12 for Cedi? I wouldn’t hate it, they’d bring some vet leadership and I would expect their roles to diminish.
I can squint and see a reason for Spurs/Kuzma. Now, am I paying the reported 2 firsts? no. But if it’s CHA Pick (a possible first but more likely 2 2nds) and 2 2nds? Sure maybe IF Spurs see these things:
1) Kuz has some size and kind of plays two ways. If you land him can he elevate the top 7 rotation talent wise and give you more as a starter in place of Champanie?
2) You get to consolidate some money/roster spot into one player and Kuz deal is declining every year so its not a bad value or future trade salary if a bigger move presents itself
3) You dont like FA and dont see anything there worth spending the money on, but still want some degree of talent upgrade that is cost controlled
4) You dont have any plans for the money via trade, absorbing bad deals for more picks or FA and instead of just waiting it you get Kuz and by the time (2 years?) you may want off the roller coaster for better player and bigger move he has an easily movable deal/salary
I don’t love him, but that’s me playing devil’s advocate on why he may make sense and why SA may have interest
Kuzma would be a perfect fit for this roster.
Horrible defender and low IQ scorer.
For sure. I’d rather keep Doug/Cedi for cheap than bring in a revolving door of low ceiling vets just to replace them for sake of doing it. But with reports (and common sense IMO) saying SA is shopping Doug/Cedi to me a deal like this makes sense and is likely best you can do.
I definitely agree SA would likely need to add a couple 2nds but that’s no biggie since SA has so many of them.
Fournier is negative because his on court value is negative coupled with the very public wanting out etc….His contract not an issue, but its worthless is the point in terms of anything and getting two rotation players for him like Doug/Cedi is a haul hence IMO needing to put in Grimes (who has value).
Basically it’s Doug/Cedi for Grimes - taking Fournier just gets rid of the awkward headache for Thibbs.
But NY may very well be able to combine Fournier+Grimes and add a first to get a better player than Doug/Cedi, just have to see how Grimes is valued and what NY is willing to do picks wise.
Would they rather give up a first with Grimes/Fournier and land Jordan Clarkson? Or would they rather get 2 2nds alongside Doug/Cedi for Grimes/Fournier?
Ive read some other stuff like the below as well. Not sure Grimes is full throated asking out, but that’s the rumor behind the scenes
Kuz played for Pop with the National team and I think elevated his game under Pop, so he may see some sort of reclamation project. Hard to say. Could be hot air.
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Last edited by The Truth #6; 01-19-2024 at 02:03 PM.
I like the idea of trading for Grimes, but not Fournier. What exactly has he done in the last few years other than complain about his playing time ? Tibbs is a tough coach who doesn't put up with complainers. I'd wait till after the deadline since I think the Knicks will waive him if they can't trade him. At least Dougie doesn't complain about playing time or starting.
Fournier is the price you pay to get Grimes. Spurs aren’t winning and can just cut Fournier if they want. Doug/Cedi are expiring deals anyways and so is Fournier so its not a big deal IMO
Now the Spurs can easily top this offer unless it is a NBA assisted wink wink nudge nudge offer. What is D'Angelo's value comparable to seriously not hating? A cheap 1st, two seconds? I am asking to know what the Spurs would have to pay to simple beat the Lakers offer, not overpay?
Spurs can easily beat this offer if they want - you are correct. DLO definitely has more value than Doug/Cedi/Graham salaries, but at least Doug/Cedi/Graham (outside of 2.5M) are truly expiring for teams looking for a reset.
But picks wise? SA can crush Lakers and even just giving ATL one of their picks back should be more valuable than anything LA can offer.
If the 2029 is unprotected the Spurs would probably need to give Atlanta their 2027 back to top that offer. If not they could offer the 2027 with say top 4 protection plus the Chicago 2025 pick and crush that offer.
LOL annual "Lakers are interested in everybody" clickbait articles that AI is born to write going forward. They don't have anything to trade... although last year they somehow got DLO and two good role players for a single pick and getting rid of Westbrook. Wonder how that stuff keeps happening.
Problem here is no one wants DLO and they need a third team to dump him on. ATL supposedly wanted Reaves and are no longer interested in a Lake package without him... because there ain't nothing else LA has.
IDK an unprotected Lakers 2029 could be juicy as with LeBron looting that team of so much of its young talent and Davis being a China doll. If I'm the Lakers I would trade Davis now for picks and young guys and then see if Miami would give up Jaquez and a first for LeBron to try to truly make a le run, trade Reaves for Murray, and maybe still have a team that never bottoms out but has capspace to reload.
I think it’s more about there being nothing more valuable than controlling your own picks and destiny. Sure that Lakers pick *could* be juicy, but if ATL gets their own pick back? They can guarantee its juicy by tanking etc..
By 2029 the Lakers will have Giannis, Doncic, Tatum or a mix of them.
If they blew it up now they might have a real chance but no one is going there to be a one man team. I could see them in 2029 being in the same shape they were when Aldridge didn't give them a second thought after meeting in free agency.
oh the annual "Spurs are interested in Kuzma" articles that we be getting for the past 8 years or so
I really hope the Spurs make a run at DJ, but knowing them they won't
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