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    TD cannot stop Amare when he wants to go at the rim. Never happens. At the same time, Amare has no chance to stop Duncan either.

    And to answer a seperate question, Yes I want the Spurs at full strength, I think the suspensions get ridiculous in the NBA. Just fine them like in the NFL, which is a real league run well, but always questioning suspensions just gets old.

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    Letter of NBA law defies its spirit
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    Your move, NBA. Are you going to suspend Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw for leaving the bench after Robert Horry checked Steve Nash into the scorer's table? Or, in an unlikely fit of common sense, are you going to assess the situation reasonably and throw down some show-trial fines and be done with it?




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    After Robert Horry leveled Steve Nash, will the NBA level the Suns by suspending Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw for leaving the bench?It's not a matter of understanding the rule. Clearly, the rule states that any player leaving the bench to join an altercation is to be suspended for a game. At least.

    But we're talking about two of the Suns' best players who left the bench and never mixed it up. We're talking about the best playoff series going -- probably the best one we'll see, period.

    You want to hand it over to the team that committed the cheap shot? That's what a suspension of Stoudemire and Diaw will do. The NBA is faced with flexing a little on an unnecessarily inflexible rule or running the risk of allowing Horry to win the series with a cheap, flagrant foul on one of the league's marquee players.

    Diaw and Stoudemire should have known better, no question. Still, their franchise guy was down. They didn't know whether he was hurt, or how badly. They reacted, then unreacted, with the idea of sticking up for Nash.

    Adding to the emotion is the behind-the-woodshed treatment Nash has received the whole series, and it's not surprising their first thought wasn't, "Oh, golly, I better stay here and let the authorities handle it."

    So tough call, NBA, but not really.

    Think of it this way: You're never going to have a league of compe ive guys who don't react by heading toward Nash in that situation. And you shouldn't want one.

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    • One thing Horry accomplished: Made Bruce Bowen look good.

    • One guy who probably watched the Nash-Horry episode and thought, "OK, maybe they'll forget about me for 24 hours": Baron Davis.

    • Maybe a guy like Carlos Boozer, to put a name to a concept: Derek Fisher might not have been upset about Davis' late-game, low-class elbow throw -- Fisher's comments were gentlemanly -- but some of his teammates might have other ideas the next time Davis comes hopping down the lane.

    • Right now, I'm thinking a few weeks in a glass case hovering over a London intersection would be a perfect idea: Go away, David Blaine, and take your magnets with you.

    • Mehmet Okur: What Dirk Nowitzki was supposed to be.

    • When Greg Oden's name is called first in this year's NBA draft, remember two things: (1) Tim Duncan against the Suns and; (2) when a guy can move and score and control the block, big still matters -- a lot.

    • It's not so much a shot as a deflection: Has anyone ever shot the ball quicker and with less motion than Brent Barry?

    • Nobody plays harder: Russell Martin.

    • Just for the heck of it: Don Money.

    • The ridiculous magic of the 84 mph fastball: Old Greg Maddux played the role of young Greg Maddux on Monday night, finishing a 96-pitch complete game after needing just 77 through eight shutout innings.

    • There's command, and then there's this: Maddux didn't go to a three-ball count on a hitter until two were out in the ninth.

    • Then again: The Reds haven't put up much opposition these days.

    • And for those of you who prefer the Livan Hernandez motif: Dice-K needed 124 pitches for his complete game Monday.

    • About as riveting as "The Cafferty File," and bringing you as much excitement as a Paul Harvey marathon, it's: The Eastern Conference playoffs, inferior every single year.

    • Or you could just cast wild 3s at the end of a one-on-four "break" and hope for the best: If the Warriors want to play past Tuesday night, they might want to post up Jason Richardson on Derek Fisher every chance they get.

    • At my personal sports book, "What The Case May Be" is favored by two touchdowns: Commenting on his fast recovery from finger surgery, Terrell Owens said, "I don't know if I have special healing powers, or what the case may be."

    • Forgive my bad memory, but what part of "nappy-headed ho" was directed at Reverend Al? In a truly momentous question for our time, Lou Dobbs asked Al Sharpton whether he will ever forgive Don Imus.

    • And finally, after the game they all hit the streets and obeyed all traffic signals: During Game 2 of the Warriors-Jazz series in Utah, they actually played "If You're Happy And You Know It" over the arena PA, and the rhythmic clapping was vigorous.

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    Here is Stu Jackson in the past:

    "In this cir stance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

    If they say that Diaw and Amare were doing the same thing they won't get suspended. Also, the Spurs announcer needs to keep his mouth shut. They were reporting on the radio that he has stated he saw Amare taking off his sweats just before the incident which would support the checking in thing.

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    Here is Stu Jackson in the past:

    "In this cir stance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

    If they say that Diaw and Amare were doing the same thing they won't get suspended. Also, the Spurs announcer needs to keep his mouth shut. They were reporting on the radio that he has stated he saw Amare taking off his sweats just before the incident which would support the checking in thing.
    If I am correct, wasn't this a completely different situation? I believe it was a fight that broke out in a tunnel or something and before the infamous Palace brawl...

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    Here is Stu Jackson in the past:

    "In this cir stance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.''

    If they say that Diaw and Amare were doing the same thing they won't get suspended. Also, the Spurs announcer needs to keep his mouth shut. They were reporting on the radio that he has stated he saw Amare taking off his sweats just before the incident which would support the checking in thing.
    If they have that on tape I am sure the League office has it already.

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    Yeah, but what I want to know is, are you Mav fans having fun watching the NBA playoffs?

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    A historical question: Could Robert Horry's cheap shot on Steve Nash in Game 4 be the biggest shot of his career?

    The trey Horry nailed to destroy the Sacramento Kings' NBA le hopes in 2002 did nothing compared to the damage his forearm could do to the Phoenix Suns, who until the final 18 seconds of Monday night's critical Game 4 were tougher than the San Antonio Spurs. The forearm buried Nash underneath the scorer's table, but most importantly, it incited Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw to charge onto the court from the bench -- which all but guarantees them a suspension for Game 5 in Phoenix.



    Hey, they don't call him Big Shot Bob for nothing.



    If the NBA hands out the expected suspensions, the Spurs will lose only the whopping seven points per game Horry is averaging in this series. Meanwhile, Phoenix will lose two of its top six players and a serious chance to put the Spurs' neck in a guillotine.



    Is it fair? No. Is it right? Absolutely. The NBA doesn't have much choice but to suspend Horry, Stoudemire and Diaw for Game 5.



    The rule about players leaving the bench is there to prevent situations from escalating into utter embarrassments. It's an ironclad rule that isn't open to interpretation, and it can't be applied differently because it adversely affects one team more than the other. In fact, the point of the rule is to affect teams so adversely they don't break it.



    If the league does nothing to Stoudemire and Diaw, it will set an awful precedent and send the message that the rules are vulnerable to perception and public outcry. As if the Suns are the only team in NBA history that can claim this rule puts them at an unfair disadvantage.



    And there's no way Stoudemire just was ambling to the scorer's table to check back into the game, as he claimed afterward. Give him (or the Suns' PR rep) credit for coming up with such a cute excuse. But go watch the replay. Stoudemire broke out into a Carl Lewis-like sprint toward the on-court scrum -- looking like he wanted to do to Horry what Uma Thurman did to David Carradine in the final scene of "Kill Bill: Vol. 2" -- which weakens Stoudemire's creative explanation.

    Look, I get why Stoudemire and Diaw rushed to Nash's defense. Nash is their boy, and teammates are obligated to stick up for one another -- especially in a series that has grown as testy as this one. The Spurs were behaving uncharacteristically graceless, and Horry's forearm of frustration was exacted because the Spurs blew an 11-point lead late in the game -- and thus a golden opportunity to put their foot on Phoenix's neck.

    But given how commissioner David Stern has shown zero tolerance for player misconduct since the Detroit-Indiana brawl, what Stoudemire and Diaw did simply wasn't smart. And by the way, did you notice how the Spurs' bench stayed put, further undermining Stoudemire's contrived explanation?



    You'd have thought the Suns would have learned from Raja Bell's one-game playoff suspension against the Lakers last year. Bell's clothesline on Kobe Bryant could have cost the Suns that series.



    The Spurs are much stronger than the Lakers, and losing Stoudemire and Diaw will hurt a whole lot more than losing Bell. Even if the league decides to suspend Horry for two games, Phoenix will be affected much more.



    Of course, this is going to fuel speculation that Horry's cheap shot was on purpose. But all it does is show exactly how much the Spurs are in Phoenix's head.



    The Suns won Game 4, but the Spurs are winning the mental war. The Suns' gritty victory was powerful enough to change this series permanently in their direction, but they've now given the power back to the Spurs with one bad decision.

    The Spurs maintain a certain advantage as long they can yank Phoenix's chain whenever they want. And Big Shot Bob's reputation for delivering in the playoffs continues to be well-deserved.

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    Welcome to today's pussified NBA.

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    D'Antoni's histrionics may have cost him.

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    As many elbows and cheap shots that Raja Bell delivers night in and night out he probably should be suspended for an entire season.

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    Thanks for chiming in.

    Just for the record, it is 3 championships. My bath is calling me...

    No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.

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    horry shouldn't be suspended. he just gave nash a body check. about as rough as raja's mid-air body check of parker earlier in the game. horry shouldn't be suspended just because nash is a *lol* 2-time mvp and because the suns bench's chodes exploded
    um, elbow thrown at Raja's face???

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    No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.
    No doubt Sun Fan is a master of unintended comedy.

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    No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.
    That * is more then what the Suns have right? Thought so....If you are gonna knock a team that has championships, at least make sure you have a good arguement. Otherwise, you look dumb. Since you wanna knock people, at least TRY to use appropriate punctuation marks. It appears you are still in middle school....Don't feel good does it?

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    you mean when horry pushed the little gadly away with his Forearm
    LOL...you're right...I'm sure the league sees it that way

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    So since some people were all "a rule is a rule", so it's all fair if Bowen and Duncan are out too?

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    So since some people were all "a rule is a rule", so it's all fair if Bowen and Duncan are out too?

    Sigh. For the 100th time, the rule is about "altercations."

    There wasn't an "altercation" when Tim stepped over the line. He was just celebrating Elson's dunk.

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    No son. Its 2 and a *. But to a Spoo fan they think its 3. God Spoo fans are dumb! And they are fat. 4th in nation. Maybe 2nd now.
    Spoo? Did they start giving out computers with internet connections to re s in Phoenix?

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    Sigh. For the 100th time, the rule is about "altercations."

    There wasn't an "altercation" when Tim stepped over the line. He was just celebrating Elson's dunk.
    Jones knocked Elson to the floor and TD went on the floor.
    Horry knocked Nash to the floor and Amare went on the floor.

    And didn't Bowen, according to reports, have to restrain TD from his "celebration"?

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    Jones knocked Elson to the floor and TD went on the floor.
    Horry knocked Nash to the floor and Amare went on the floor.

    And didn't Bowen, according to reports, have to restrain TD from his "celebration"?
    Jones-Elson would not be ruled an altercation by the league.

    Nash-Horry would.

    But the league doesn't have to suspended Diaw/Stoudemire if they decide rule that they didn't leave the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. There's no hard line. But going past the coaches box line and onto the floor might do them in. I hope not.

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    Jones-Elson would not be ruled an altercation by the league.

    Nash-Horry would.

    But the league doesn't have to suspended Diaw/Stoudemire if they decide rule that they didn't leave the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. There's no hard line. But going past the coaches box line and onto the floor might do them in. I hope not.

    Wouldn't horry-bell be the ruled altercation, cause nash was on the floor when the big went down

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    No doubt Sun Fan is a master of unintended comedy.

    No doubt.

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    Wouldn't horry-bell be the ruled altercation, cause nash was on the floor when the big went down
    To me Nash-Horry-Bell is all the same altercation. Horry hip checking Nash - Nash getting up and grabbing Horry's jersey - Horry elbowing/forearming Bell in the face. Same incident.

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    the only way the spurs win game 5 is if Stoudamire and Diaw get suspended.


    Period.

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    the only way the spurs win game 5 is if Stoudamire and Diaw get suspended.


    Period.
    The Spurs would probably lose game 5 with them out. The Spurs suck when key players are missing from the other team.

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