Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[MaNu4Tres]

A 10 million dollar one year gamble. You seem to be forgetting that.

Refer to post 539.

More than likely that 10 million would be used to retain players if they were to stand pat.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It was one blog by D.J I forgot his name already. Calm down. I know the Clippers wouldn't want JUST expirings for Camby. Splitter and the 1st round pick would be the incentive for the Clippers to agree to the deal. Not just the expiring contracts.

Them getting a very good SF to add to their core is far better than expirings and some pie in the sky named Splitter. The DJFoster example was just to show what the Clips are looking for in their personnel department.

You make it sound like Dalembert and Igoudala both have max deals that last through 2020. Dalembert's salary would be only for one year. After that year Spurs would be back at 40 million if the trade went through. At that point Spurs will probably be in rebuilding mode and could easily offer Igoudala in 2012 for expirings to a contender if 40 million on the books for 2011-2012 is too much for you.

Iguodala's contract runs through till 2014 (13-14 is a player option worth $15 million).

Basically we would be stuck with AIg worth much much more than what he really is worth along with the decision to sign TP or not and Tim Duncan's final year. There are too many ifs and buts loaded in signing AIg for so long. Far better to take it year by year than plan so far ahead and keep overpaying for a basically a third banana.

Plus Dalembert doesn't deserve 12 million and next year, moving him if he screws up will be damn impossible unless for getting nothing but silly expirings.

Also, this is not happening as the Sixers are homing in on either Amar'e or some deal with the Mavs... and they are also helped by the Rockets if they bite on the deal with a trade of TMac to the Sixers.

[MaNu4Tres]

Them getting a very good SF to add to their core is far better than expirings and some pie in the sky named Splitter. The DJFoster example was just to show what the Clips are looking for in their personnel department.

I don't agree with you. Clippers best move would be to move Camby for expirings and get a 1st round pick and/ or a young prospect on a cheap rookie scale contract.
Clippers would then have a 1st round pick as well as only 39 million or so on the books going into the summer. They could easily sign a player for 5-7 million that can provide 25-30 minutes at the small forward position that can bring the same things to the table as Jefferson.( Like Outlaw for instance). Then they could use the remaining cap space to fill in holes on their bench. ( This is all if the major max free agents decide to play elsewhere). That scenario>>>>> them trading and using all their cap space this summer for Richard Jefferson.

Iguodala's contract runs through till 2014 (13-14 is a player option worth $15 million).

Basically we would be stuck with AIg worth much much more than what he really is worth along with the decision to sign TP or not and Tim Duncan's final year. There are too many ifs and buts loaded in signing AIg for so long. Far better to take it year by year than plan so far ahead and keep overpaying for a basically a third banana.

Plus Dalembert doesn't deserve 12 million and next year, moving him if he screws up will be damn impossible unless for getting nothing but silly expirings.

Also, this is not happening as the Sixers are homing in on either Amar'e or some deal with the Mavs... and they are also helped by the Rockets if they bite on the deal with a trade of TMac to the Sixers.

It's not even worth responding to people who don't even read posts before they try to explain things in their own exploiting ways.

Refer to post 552 again please.

[SpurNation]

If a firesale is indeed the goal of Washington and the Spurs needs are both in another good perimeter defender and height in the post this would work.

Again...depending on what the Wizards are willing to do. But Jefferson and Butler would basically be a wash as far as salaries with RJ being able to contribute on a team that could use his talents and where he would be more effective. Mason was a fan favorite before leaving and would be a positive contributor as well already knowing the system.

Mahinmi? If the Wizards are going to basically su b to a losing season...the chance to see how he can play might be worth the trade. I think if given minutes...Mahinmi could actually produce decent numbers.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=5433529

Haywood on the cheap for this year. Depending on how well he would fit this team might translate into a decent offer from the Spurs for less than they would have to pay going outside. If they don't resign him...then they wouldn't be losing out on somebody they never really had planned to have to begin with.

Butler, for the same duration, just might be better adapted to this system than Jefferson. His defense would definately be better.

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +3.0 ppg, +8.2 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

Incoming Players
Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.2 apg in 39.2 minutes
Brendan Haywood
7-0 C from North Carolina
9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 33.0 minutes

Outgoing Players
Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 31.3 minutes
Roger Mason
6-5 SG from Virginia
7.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 19.6 minutes
Ian Mahinmi
6-10 PF from France
3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes


Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.0 ppg, -8.2 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

Incoming Players
Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 31.3 minutes
Roger Mason
6-5 SG from Virginia
7.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 19.6 minutes
Ian Mahinmi
6-10 PF from France
3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes Outgoing Players
Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.2 apg in 39.2 minutes
Brendan Haywood
7-0 C from North Carolina
9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 33.0 minutes

[benefactor]

Refer to post 539.

More than likely that 10 million would be used to retain players if they were to stand pat.

So you are suggesting that we would pay 5 million a piece on Mason and Bonner? Rofl. As of right now all signs point to us not even re-signing Mason...and if we do re-sign Bonner he most certainly is not getting a raise.

The Spurs are not going to pay 13 million dollars to Samuel Dalembert next year. They just got done dealing with a massively overpaid player that didn't work out. Their not doing it again.

[MaNu4Tres]

So you are suggesting that we would pay 5 million a piece on Mason and Bonner? Rofl. As of right now all signs point to us not even re-signing Mason...and if we do re-sign Bonner he most certainly is not getting a raise.

The Spurs are not going to pay 13 million dollars to Samuel Dalembert next year. They just got done dealing with a massively overpaid player that didn't work out. Their not doing it again.

Me and you both don't know what they are going to do.

With all the facts we have presented to us today, Spurs have planned on going all in for the 2009-2010 and 2010 and 2011 season. That was evident after the Jefferson trade went through. Just because Jefferson hasn't been what they have hoped doesn't mean Spurs are going to give up on their plan.

[Chieflion]

So you are suggesting that we would pay 5 million a piece on Mason and Bonner? Rofl. As of right now all signs point to us not even re-signing Mason...and if we do re-sign Bonner he most certainly is not getting a raise.

The Spurs are not going to pay 13 million dollars to Samuel Dalembert next year. They just got done dealing with a massively overpaid player that didn't work out. Their not doing it again.

So what you are saying is, the Spurs would not try to improve their team any further just because their recent attempt to add an impact player failed, so the Spurs are going into the luxury tax this year, gaining absolutely nothing out of it.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I don't agree with you. Clippers best move would be to move Camby for expirings and get a 1st round pick and/ or a young prospect on a cheap rookie scale contract.
Clippers would then have a 1st round pick as well as only 39 million or so on the books going into the summer. They could easily sign a player for 5-7 million that can provide 25-30 minutes at the small forward position that can bring the same things to the table as Jefferson.( Like Outlaw for instance). Then they could use the remaining cap space to fill in holes on their bench. ( This is all if the major max free agents decide to play elsewhere). That scenario>>>>> them trading and using all their cap space this summer for Richard Jefferson.

Not convinced if Outlaw is the answer that the Clips are looking for to get a suitable 3. But yes, I accept that your argument about costs and alternatives is compelling. RJ's salary of $14 is possibly 3-4 million $ more than the ideal situation that the Clips would want to be in. I was hedging based on the coaching change and the fact that RJ fits a need rightaway rather than an unknown for the Clips.

It's not even worth responding to people who don't even read posts before they try to explain things in their own exploiting ways.

Refer to post 552 again please.

552 is not convincing me. And I am not "exploiting" anything. Just stating facts.

[benefactor]

So what you are saying is, the Spurs would not try to improve their team any further just because their recent attempt to add an impact player failed, so the Spurs are going into the luxury tax this year, gaining absolutely nothing out of it.

If it means eating Dalembert's 13 million, then no, they will not.

[Chieflion]

If it means eating Dalembert's 13 million, then no, they will not.

So the Spurs would rather eat RJ's 15 million and continue to suck next season? That does not make any sense either.

[MaNu4Tres]

If it means eating Dalembert's 13 million, then no, they will not.

Dalembert 13 million for one year > Bonner 3 year deal worth 14 million+ Mason 2 year deal worth 8 million.

[benefactor]

So the Spurs would rather eat RJ's 15 million and continue to suck next season? That does not make any sense either.

No...I'd like to get rid of RJ, but they are not going to pay 25 million to get rid of him.

Dalembert 13 million for one year > Bonner 3 year deal worth 14 million+ Mason 2 year deal worth 8 million.

You are seriously reaching with those numbers...and what makes you think RMJ will be re-signed?

[Chieflion]

No...I'd like to get rid of RJ, but they are not going to pay 25 million to get rid of him.

You are seriously reaching with those numbers...and what makes you think RMJ will be re-signed?

Huh? 25 million? Where did that number come from? Dalembert essentially replaces RJ's salary, unless I am missing something. You must be thinking luxury tax but the Spurs are probably still in the red zone next season.

[Chomag]

One thing I do believe is if this team does not make a good trade before deadline that they might as well hang up TD, Manu, and TP for the rest of the year. This current roster just lacks enough mentally tough enough players to contend. Spurs are a playoff team at best.

I honestly would rather see the Spurs rest our stars and try to get a good pick in the lotto then to watch them get beaten in the first round playoffs.

On the bright side of this is that it would give a chance for our younger core to get more experience in the season.

[MaNu4Tres]

No...I'd like to get rid of RJ, but they are not going to pay 25 million to get rid of him.

You are seriously reaching with those numbers...and what makes you think RMJ will be re-signed?

That 25 million will net us a more versatile and athletic wing that can defend. As well as a defensive big man that can alter shots around the rim. That 25 million would improve the Spurs chances to get San Antonio number 5. Therefore it would be worth it, even if it meant taking on Dalembert's contract for one year.

No I'm not reaching for those numbers. Bonner got a 3 year deal worth 10 million after 2007 when he played 1/10th of the role he has played with the Spurs the past 2 years. 3 years 12-15 mil will be what Spurs offer. IMO

Spurs will only have Jefferson and Hairston signed at the 3/2 position going into the off-season if they were to stand pat. Manu will be offered more money than the Spurs are willing to give up and Finley will retire. Spurs would be wise to try to resign Mason for a short term deal if they really plan on going after Splitter with most of the MLE. If they don't try to resign Mason then Spurs would be stuck with Jefferson, Hairston, Hill and maybe Manu ( Big maybe.

Spurs wouldn't have much money left over to sign a quality wing, if they came to terms with Splitter. That is why I think Mason would be resigned if Spurs were to stand pat. Him resigning wouldn't effect the MLE.

[MaNu4Tres]

Huh? 25 million? Where did that number come from? Dalembert essentially replaces RJ's salary, unless I am missing something. You must be thinking luxury tax but the Spurs are probably still in the red zone next season.

Your missing Igoudala's contract.

[Chieflion]

Your missing Igoudala's contract.

For a player of Iggy's calibre, that is good money spent. He is the real do-it all SF in the league except for LeBron. I would rather have him than Finley, Bonner and the likes of Mason.

[SpurNation]

You got to remember if we keep Splitter's rights Spurs are going to go at him with most of our MLE. That is why I believe we will try to resign Mason if we were to stand pat. Because resigning him wouldn't effect our MLE.

I'm confused. If Mason were part of the trade as you suggested...how would the Spurs resign him?

[Big P]

That 25 million will net us a more versatile and athletic wing that can defend. As well as a defensive big man that can alter shots around the rim. That 25 million would improve the Spurs chances to get San Antonio number 5. Therefore it would be worth it, even if it meant taking on Dalembert's contract for one year.

No I'm not reaching for those numbers. Bonner got a 3 year deal worth 10 million after 2007 when he played 1/10th of the role he has played with the Spurs the past 2 years. 3 years 12-15 mil will be what Spurs offer. IMO

Spurs will only have Jefferson and Hairston signed at the 3/2 position going into the off-season if they were to stand pat. Manu will be offered more money than the Spurs are willing to give up and Finley will retire. Spurs would be wise to try to resign Mason for a short term deal in case Manu left or didn't leave. Unless you think Hairston is good enough to help this team compete for a le playing 30 minutes a night? You got to remember if we keep Splitter's rights Spurs are going to go at him with most of our MLE. That is why I believe we will try to resign Mason if we were to stand pat. Because resigning him wouldn't effect our MLE.

You want us to resign bonner & mason?? No way in bonner gets 12-15 mil...lmao

[the crimson blur]

If it means eating Dalembert's 13 million, then no, they will not.

I don't think you realize how good this team will be if that trade gets done. Its an instant championship. The financial situation after the trade would not be as bad as you are making it out. We'd have a solid 2-3 year window of serious contention. Iggy and Dalembert are fantastic, fantastic players. Its not like Jefferson where everyone had their doubts; we had to reference back to his days on the Nets to remember when he played defense. Butler is having a miserable season, and Haywood isn't as good as posters make him out to be. Iggy and Dalembert are way, way better than those guys; they are surefire bets.

Some stats if you don't believe me:
Dalembert:
6.6 BLK% (one of the highest in the league. For comparison, Timmy's is 3.9)
21.6 TRB% (also one of the highest in the league. Would be the best on the Spurs, beating Blair and Duncan)
102 Defensive Rating (amazing DRtg, especially considering he is on the 9th worst defensive team in the league. That DRtg is better than everyone but Duncan and Blair and I'd expect it to e significantly on a better team)
84.3 FT%

Iguodala:
1.9 Steals per game, 2.5 Steal% (this only slightly encapsulates why Iggy is considered one of the better wing defenders in the league. One of the highest Steal%s in the league, and he doesn't do it on gambles but with really, really good hands.)
5.7 assists per game, 23.0 AST% (how amazing would it be to have a SF that could create for others?)
6.9 rebounds per game, 10.0 TRB% (one of the best wing rebounders in the league, probably only second to Lebron and maybe Melo.)

Length? Athleticism? Two of the best at their position. Health? Dalembert hasn't missed a game since the 2005-2006 season and Iggy has only missed 6 games in 6 seasons. Youth? Ages 28 (Dalembert) and 26 (Iggy), going into their primes.

How you would not do this deal if you are San Antonio I don't know. Philly does have a lot of incentive too; they need to dump those salaries. I don't really see whats wrong with committing to Iggy for 5 years of his prime. Having a Lebron-type for 5 years doesn't sound too bad to me.

[mountainballer]

If a firesale is indeed the goal of Washington and the Spurs needs are both in another good perimeter defender and height in the post this would work.

firesale is indeed the key word.
basic role for any firesale team: don't take back MORE salary, than what you sent out.
just check what you did and rethink the firesale argument.

[Pauleta14]

Has anybody watched Camby play lately? I don't understand why so many folks around here think he will improve our team so much. His rotation D is horrible, his lateral movement is gone, and more times than not he's caught reaching for the ball against guards instead of keeping his hands up using his length. Pass.

+1 this.

People are often mistaken about the real level of players, until... they play for their team!!

RJ is the perfect example...

We only see highlights of their games, and the stats line don't say everthing..
There are a lot of cliché in evaluating players discusions...

[MaNu4Tres]

You want us to resign bonner & mason?? No way in bonner gets 12-15 mil...lmao

I don't want us to resign Bonner and Mason read the posts. I'm playing out the scenario that Benefactor wants to happen.

And Bonner got 10 million in 2007 over 3 years so LYAO all you want.

[the crimson blur]

+1 this.

People are often mistaken about the real level of players, until... they play for their team!!

RJ is the perfect example...

We only see highlights of their games, and the stats line don't say everthing..
There are a lot of cliché in evaluating players discusions...

Seriously...

Why anyone would want Butler or Camby is beyond me. Camby is terrible. Butler is worse than Jefferson.

The more you think about it, the less options it seems the Spurs have. We will probably just use our assets on a small part that won't make a difference at all. *sigh*

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm confused. If Mason were part of the trade as you suggested...how would the Spurs resign him?

Spurs will only have Jefferson and Hairston signed at the 3/2 position going into the off-season if they were to stand pat. Finley will retire and Manu isn't a sure bet to resign and Bogans is also a free agent. Spurs would be wise to try to resign Mason for a short term deal if they really plan on going after Splitter with most of the MLE. If they don't try to resign Mason then Spurs would be stuck with Jefferson, Hairston, Hill and maybe Manu ( Big maybe.) as our only wings. I don't think Hairston is ready for a huge 30 minute role.

Another reason is Spurs wouldn't have much money left over to sign a quality wing, if they came to terms with Splitter. That is why I think Mason would be resigned if Spurs were to stand pat. Him resigning wouldn't effect the MLE.