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    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    Nah. I predicted this before any number came out. I'm upset at the extra $4 Million. , if it were $28M/2 with a non-guaranteed second year, I would be okay. But they completely capitulated to Manu. It's almost as if his agent took advantage of the FO's grief over losing Duncan. Like, "You don't want to lose two legends in the same year, do you? Then pay up."
    I mentioned exactly this scenario a few weeks ago when it looked like Manu was going to be in a position to sign last, and I hoped they'd pay him as much as possible. It's almost as if the Spurs said, "You've been really valuable to this team, and you took less money so we could sign Lamarcus Aldridge. Here's a big financial thank you."

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    hahahahaha

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    Back in 2004 when Ginobili when Ginobili was a free agent he was reportedly offered by Denver a 6 yr deal starting at a little over $9 million. He signed with the Spurs for a little over $6 million. Even the biggest Manu hater how many championships you think SA would have if he had not given the Spurs a deal and had gone to Denver?

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    Philly offered $16m-$17m...that's a $3m discount. Thank you Manu.

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    Maybe time to turn to the other Jones? (Perry)
    He's Austin Daye with even less dedication and desire.

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    Reported from the most credible of sources (Woj) that PHI offer was 2/30M (with first year guarantee of 17m, 2nd year Unknown guaranteed amount).

    He definitely leveraged SA but in the end, after doing the favor last year why should he turn down so much money when it did not mean that much to SA to pay (other than losing Boban) since we know they were not going to let him walk?

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    I mentioned exactly this scenario a few weeks ago when it looked like Manu was going to be in a position to sign last, and I hoped they'd pay him as much as possible. It's almost as if the Spurs said, "You've been really valuable to this team, and you took less money so we could sign Lamarcus Aldridge. Here's a big financial thank you."
    I think he took what he was worth last year in terms of guaranteed money ($6 Million).

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    Porker > Manure

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    Omg

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    I'm okay with the 'thank you' contract. It cost the team Boban, which theoretically hurts. But Pop didn't deserve a second chance with Boban, I'm glad Boban got out.

    The only issue is going to be how washed up Manu looks after the Olympics. I'm expecting it to be bad.

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    Things worked out in his favor, but maybe someone more knowledgeable about the salary cap can explain how it hurt the team. Peter Holt is not hurting for money, and it's a small price to pay for what Manu's given to this team over the last 13 years. Why is it "just a business" when management has to do something for financial reasons, but it's somehow predatory that Manu and his agent got paid and didn't harm the team?
    It cost the Spurs either Boban or Boris depending on how you look at it. My logic of it being SA doing Manu a solid has just been proven emphatically wrong though.

    SA only offered Manu 3M which was below his cap hold. That signals they wanted to sign other FA's and missed out because they had to offer about 5x as much as they did originally.

    Doesn't make sense to me that they would only offer that much (unless they were selling Manu on being "More" compe ive), but that is what Woj said.

    That means there was definitely no 2-year agreement with Manu like I thought.

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    Reported from the most credible of sources (Woj) that PHI offer was 2/30M (with first year guarantee of 17m, 2nd year Unknown guaranteed amount).

    He definitely leveraged SA but in the end, after doing the favor last year why should he turn down so much money when it did not mean that much to SA to pay (other than losing Boban) since we know they were not going to let him walk?
    Did anyone think the Spurs were going to match that offer from Detroit? I knew he was gone the second he signed it.

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    I'm okay with the 'thank you' contract. It cost the team Boban, which theoretically hurts. But Pop didn't deserve a second chance with Boban, I'm glad Boban got out.

    The only issue is going to be how washed up Manu looks after the Olympics. I'm expecting it to be bad.
    I get the feeling we're not going to last long there, tbh... I just hope we avoid injury.

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    Both of those guys won a ring with the Spurs... just sayin'...

    Spurs rang with Matt Bonner in 2007 but, the 'ship had nothing to do with Matt Bonner.

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    Lol we suspected it was the 76ers. They need veterans for that mess of youngsters they have there and to place butts in seats. It would have ended Manus career to go there TBH

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    Also Woj's math sucks. Says SA offered 3M then had to "triple" their offer. 3 X 3 = 9M, not 14.

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    Spurs rang with Matt Bonner in 2007 but, the 'ship had nothing to do with Matt Bonner.
    But, you weren't discussing the players, but RC putting a compe ive team and winning Exec of the Year... he did put a championship team together.

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    It cost the Spurs either Boban or Boris depending on how you look at it. My logic of it being SA doing Manu a solid has just been proven emphatically wrong though.

    SA only offered Manu 3M which was below his cap hold. That signals they wanted to sign other FA's and missed out because they had to offer about 5x as much as they did originally.

    Doesn't make sense to me that they would only offer that much (unless they were selling Manu on being "More" compe ive), but that is what Woj said.

    That means there was definitely no 2-year agreement with Manu like I thought.
    Boris was gone, so I guess it's Boban. So yeah, that sucks. Offering Manu 3M is a Wade-level insult, and the Spurs had to know there was nearly a 100 percent chance of it backfiring. Manu has sacrificed for championship teams, and he sacrificed to secure the team's future.

    At the time of the rumor about the big offer for Manu, I was perfectly fine with the team telling him congratulations and to enjoy playing in America's toilet for the final year of his career.

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    Also Woj's math sucks. Says SA offered 3M then had to "triple" their offer. 3 X 3 = 9M, not 14.
    I thought I read "more than triple"...

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    Did anyone think the Spurs were going to match that offer from Detroit? I knew he was gone the second he signed it.
    I think had Manu retired the team would have been proactive in hammering out a deal with him. I think Detroit waited until they were pretty sure the Spurs wouldn't match to offer the deal. Probably would have gotten him for the MLE had he been the primary target. However, he wouldn't have made a ton of sense with Gasol and no Manu. The team would definitely need a vet guard.

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    Did anyone think the Spurs were going to match that offer from Detroit? I knew he was gone the second he signed it.
    Yes. Apparently the most reliable of sources is reporting SA wanted to keep Boban and could not do that because Manu told SA he was leaving for PHI if SA didn't up their offer.

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    I get the feeling we're not going to last long there, tbh... I just hope we avoid injury.
    Fingers crossed, seriously want Manu healthy!

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    I thought I read "more than triple"...
    Ok, even if they quadrupled, 3x4 = 12, not 14M :Lol

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    For those familiar with him, any predictions on whether or not Bertan's nice looking quick release on 3 will translate to NBA? Some of his highlights just look awesome.
    I think the shot will be fine. He'll be more open than in Europe I expect and at least over there he never hesitated like Bonner and Anderson do.

    Bigger question is whether Pop gives him time and real opportunities, or keeps him on the bench because "it wouldn't be fair" to give him time over Anderson or whatever vet scrub they get for the minimum.

    I hope for the former while expecting the latter.

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    But, you weren't discussing the players, but RC putting a compe ive team and winning Exec of the Year... he did put a championship team together.
    R.C's compe iveness starts and ends with Tim Duncan and to a lesser extent Manu Ginobili and Kawhi Leonard. He could have filled the remaining roster spots with bags of and the Spurs still would have won the championship.

    The point being, from a statistical standpoint, he signed two of the worst players in the NBA and he got rewarded for it. Now, his tenure really begins and he's not off to a banging start.
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