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    Bad guys already have their weapons drawn when they assault you or come into your house. He may be alone but usually there's 2 or more. They can have automatic rifles or not. They may be hyped up on drugs. They already planned their attack and is already at full alert while you sleep in your pajamas.

    Homeowners like me are already at a disadvantage, it's nice to have an option on what kind of weapon you can use to protect yourself.
    No doubt. There's no way to quantify how many home invasions and potential rapes/murders have not been attempted because of the possibility of the home owner having a gun. But I'm sure it's more than 12.

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    And if you happened to miss, you have a chance at killing an innocent person or maybe even a kid.

    Sup jack bauer

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    Again, its much more difficult for someone to construct a home-made bomb capable of killing 12 and putting 50 others in the hospital (while not blowing yourself up), moving the bomb, detonating the bomb etc than simply driving to Bass Pro shop and putting a couple glocks on a credit card.

    This is why they say bomb makers have a "signature". If they successfully create a bomb, they tend to stick to that exact formula for making the bomb since they didnt blow themselves up the first time and bomb-making is extremely dangerous.
    A. You watch too many movies, it's obvious. It's very easy to construct a home made bomb. This theater shooter had equipment that showed he put time and effort into his plan. Lazy people aren't out shooting up theaters. Your "easier" argument is moot.

    B. You don't know anything about guns or bombs(trust me on this).

    C. Gun ownership is an individual right, and unless you think you can change the 2nd Amendment, we are all just here discussing our personal stake in it. You have no power or right to remove my rights.

    D. Your feeling of safety doesn't equate to safety, it equates to ignorance and is akin to being a sheep. The gun control idea is a placebo for people like you who are both gun ignorant and people ignorant.

    E. I prefer being in charge of my own safety, because like it or not, we all are in charge of our own safety first and foremost. You can pretend to defer to authority, but authority is there to punish offenders, they rarely protect you from anything. You're 100x more likely to be pulled over for speeding by a cop than to have one save you from an attacker. They are there mostly as revenue generation device for the city.

    Final thought: There's a reason suicide bombers aren't suicide shooters.

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    Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.

    Not saying you can't, but do you think you could take down a shooter with 4 semi automatic weapons, with body armor on, with tear gas in your face, people screaming and panicking everywhere, in the dark?
    considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.

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    If we banned handguns, we wouldn't have massacres. Timothy McVay would've turned out to be an honorable citizen, working an honorable job like practicing law or teaching at university.

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    Absolutely.....but I think when you are speaking of the general masses, particularly in America, there are far more dumb people than there are intelligent people.....

    Having said that, this dude doesn't sound "dumb", so I'm certainly not arguing that the internet made him do it....just an observation on the internet as a whole and how it may or may not effect the mentality of others.
    i'm certainly not dismissing your point. i've had moments where i wonder if I would have been better off never getting on the internet, where it's maybe led to more confusion or bad habits. otoh, sometimes it's been great and really opened my eyes.

    whenever i hear politicians say that everyone should have access, i just laugh, cuz it means more dip s will be clogging it up and probably have nothing of value to add. ST will become even more a troll haven.

    personally, i think it all starts with the family. once that breaks down, starts to get bad. i didn't come from the greatest of family backgrounds, so i've seen its effect. i have a friend (use the term loosely) whose mother was possibly raped, therefore she's never wanted anything to do with her son, and he's a ing sociopath in the making. i try to keep my distance.

    but why families break down, that's a much bigger question, and i have no answers for that. if there is one thing i feel strongly about, is that you shouldn't have kids unless you really want one, otherwise you're dropping that burden on the rest of us. i look at my "friend" as proof of this.

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    considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.
    Possibly. However, if 2 or 3 other guys had handguns, would be a straight up firefight in a CROWDED room with women and children.

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    considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.
    Been in many shootouts? Serious question, could be military, etc.

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    Quick google on the definition of insanity:

    in·san·i·ty/inˈsanitē/
    Noun:
    The state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
    Extreme foolishness or irrationality.

    Everything this guy did in the shooting falls under any and all these descriptions.
    One could argue then that any person committing murder is insane.

    Premeditated killings like this aren't looked at as being defensible by insanity pleas. There's a difference between extreme and insane. Anyone here could decide to do that and then go do it. Only an insane person would do it when he wasn't planning to.

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    Possibly. However, if 2 or 3 other guys had handguns, would be a straight up firefight in a CROWDED room with women and children.
    Highly doubt if at least two people in there knew how to shoot a handgun properly and safely, you'd see any bystanders shot.

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    Highly doubt if at least two people in there knew how to shoot a handgun properly and safely, you'd say any bystanders shot.
    OK, in how many full theater firefights have you participated?

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    One could argue then that any person committing murder is insane.
    True, if he just shot one dude or two at a Valero for the same reasons, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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    Nonsense.

    To gloss over the differences in usability, portability, concealibility, effectiveness, re-use etc is asinine.

    Im sure this dude could have made a home-made bomb and brought it into the theater. BUt it would have been much more difficult to cause the amount of death he easily inflicted by using guns.

    Especially considering he was a "rogue" and had no assistance from outside bomb-makers etc.
    No ing way.

    One pipe bomb would have killed 30+ people if it was constructed right, especially if you consider he could have backpacked it in, set it between seats and then left. He could have brought in several.

    He did what he did because that's what he saw someone had done; he's a copycat.

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    Highly doubt if at least two people in there knew how to shoot a handgun properly and safely, you'd see any bystanders shot.
    Big difference between shooting a handgun properly and safely under safe conditions and letting go during a shootout.

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    considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.
    But the owner of the theater is Cinemark, which has a "no firearms" policy. Guns are banned from that place so you cant bring in your guns as well as the other responsible gun owners.

    That place sure was safe from shooting since people are claiming that it is safer if there are no guns around.

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    OK, in how many full theater firefights have you participated?
    How many times have you been to a gun range or target practice?

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    But the owner of the theater is Cinemark, which has a "no firearms" policy. Guns are banned from that place so you cant bring in your guns as well as the other responsible gun owners.

    That place sure was safe from shooting since people are claiming that it is safer if there are no guns around.
    Probably to keep the concession stand workers from getting capped due to some nutjob going crazy over paying $8 for a small popcorn.

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    No ing way.

    One pipe bomb would have killed 30+ people if it was constructed right, especially if you consider he could have backpacked it in, set it between seats and then left. He could have brought in several.

    He did what he did because that's what he saw someone had done; he's a copycat.
    i agree on your earlier point they want infamy. it's not rocket science, these guys are pissed and angry at the world and want others to feel their pain, but making sure people know who or why they did it.

    we just need to be more effective in sending a message that there are dire consequences for such actions, and I ain't talking life in prison.

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    Pic of Holmes with the red hair found on adult friend finder

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    Big difference between shooting a handgun properly and safely under safe conditions and letting go during a shootout.
    Not really. If you have ever taken a firearms class, the same rules apply. You don't shoot you're target if you don't have a clear shot/someone is in the way.

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    How many times have you been to a gun range or target practice?
    Several.

    It in no way makes me think I am fully prepared for a firefight in a completely full theater. You took this opportunity to brag about how much of a badass you would be had you been there and armed. I was asking what led you to this conclusion.

    Your answer is "I'm a good shot at the range."

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    Probably to keep the concession stand workers from getting capped due to some nutjob going crazy over paying $8 for a small popcorn.
    But the "no guns" policy didn't stop this tragedy.....

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    So you're saying a bystander wouldn't get hit if 2-3 people opened fire on a shooter in a: dark crowded room with screaming people running everywhere with tear gas blinding them and bullets flying all around them?

    You must've been in a few firefights with tough conditions tbh

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    How many times have you been to a gun range or target practice?
    Do you go to a range where innocent panicked people are running around everywhere in a crowded room, with tear gas in your face, WHILE taking gunfire from a man in full body armor? If so, props on being such a damn good shot bro! You wreck it with that concealed .357 of yours!

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    Several.

    It in no way makes me think I am fully prepared for a firefight in a completely full theater. You took this opportunity to brag about how much of a badass you would be had you been there and armed. I was asking what led you to this conclusion.

    Your answer is "I'm a good shot at the range."
    That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

    I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.

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