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Yeah, for some odd reason i am starting to feel positive about Butler. Larry Brown was high on him, so that has to count for something. I think he will be a good addition. I think he can put up the same stats as Rasho and butterfinger Nazr lol!
Thanks a lot... I checked some stats of him an he was able to pull off a 18/9 in ca. 21 min) game against Detroit last year. Seems that he has some potential. I hope he joins the Spurs.
Yeah, for some odd reason i am starting to feel positive about Butler. Larry Brown was high on him, so that has to count for something. I think he will be a good addition. I think he can put up the same stats as Rasho and butterfinger Nazr lol!
Pretty simple: Let me break it down.
My original post: pretty sad over 500 posts for Jackie. Says something about our offseason.
Obstructo's response: We are better off because Jackie's got "massive upside" and that he is going to go slash his wrist because he is so depressed.
My point is what in the has Jackie done and why do I keep seeing a few hundred posts about how freaking good he is. I agree that Nazr and Rasho were overpaid and that we had to get rid of of their contracts, but that doesn't mean the spurs are a better team now. I believe Pop made a mistake by going small in response to Dallas's lineup. Again, I keep hearing all of this overhyped crap about the massive potential of Jackie and how every team was after him and how he turned down a much more lucrative contract from somewhere else because he wanted to play for us and how lucky we are. Most of the aforementioned crap is coming from his agent. Very trust worthy source. I have yet to find out what other team offered him that damn contract and what other teams were after him. Jackie is what he is. Currently a bench warmer who can give you a few minutes and some productivity and help your team.
If I am correct, Nazr only averaged 16 mpg. Yeah, Butler is young, but he put up the same stats as Nazr and we get him at a much lower price. I will take that anyday of the week. Better off? No, but not worse off imo. Especially in the long run...
we would be better off simply because of the fact jackie does not drop every other pass that comes his way, unlike nazr. not to mention the fact that we desperately need another option in the paint when timmy is out of the game...
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So it's a lateral move.Jackie is what he is. Currently a bench warmer who can give you a few minutes and some productivity and help your team.
I'm sure Pop spoke with his good friend LB before making a decision to go after Butler. LB, wanting to screw the Knicks, probably gave Pop some idea of how much it would take to pry Butler away.
so is it a good sign that after so many days, there are still scant indications that the knicks definitely intend to resign him?
I don't think so - either way. There are probably so many trade scenarios brewing right now, it's impossible to tell.
no both teams said they would take tell day 6 or 7
Yeah, the Knicks could just as easily match it and tell the Spurs "If you want him, you have to trade for him." That would be foolish on their part, but of course it wouldn't be blazing any new ground.
Hey, people do weird things when they are completly board out of their minds. I'm just waiting for the season to start.
I dont think you can trade a player, so soon after the team matched a RFA offer.
So the team can't even trade him? Wow. I thought that was only if he accepted a qualifying offer. I hate this . It's confusing.
NY cannot trade him to the other 28 teams for months, and not to SA for a YEAR if they match.
From the Salary Cap FAQ:
In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following cir stances:
...
For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him).
So he can be traded, but not to us. That prevents teams from matching for blackmail purposes.
Well good. That was the only scenario under which I could see Isiah matching, and even then it would have been stupid. I honestly can't see how he can match, considering how much he would cost the team.
Looks like the chances of the Spurs increase a bit...
Isiah has interest in Jeffries
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Isiah Thomas says he is not actively pursing deals for free agents, but behind the scenes the Knicks' president and coach continues to search for ways to bolster his roster.
One player who continues to draw interest from the Knicks is Washington forward Jared Jeffries, a restricted free agent. According to sources, the Knicks have had conversations with Jeffries' agent, Andy Miller, in recent days as negotiations between Jeffries and the Wizards have stalled. Jeffries is considering accepting Washington's one-year qualifying offer for approximately $3 million, which would make him an unrestricted free agent next summer.
Miller, who also represents free agent forward Al Harrington, did not return phone calls yesterday.
The Knicks can offer Jeffries their mid-level exception, starting at approximately $5.2 million. The Knicks are reluctant to add salary, but the 6-11 Jeffries, who can play four positions, would give the team a versatile player who is regarded as a strong defender. The 24-year-old Jeffries averaged 6.4 points and 4.9 rebounds in 77 games last season.
The Knicks' interest in Jeffries suggests that Thomas will not match the three-year, $7 million offer Jackie Butler received from the San Antonio Spurs. The Knicks have until tomorrow to decide on Butler's fate. By allowing Butler to leave, the Knicks would have one roster spot available.
Washington would have the option to match any offer made to Jeffries. A sign-and-trade scenario is unlikely because of salary cap restrictions. Jeffries is best suited to play small forward, a position that is currently filled by Jalen Rose, Quentin Richardson and first-round pick Renaldo Balkman. David Lee is another option for small forward.
Jeffries, however, can play both forward positions as well as center and has even played big guard for Washington.
Only the Knicks would pass on Jackie Butler only to turn around and offer Jeffries the MLE.
I'm surprised the Daily News got the timing on the Butler RFA deadline wrong, unless Isola knows of something going down we don't.
KNICKS' BUTLER DEADLINE EXTENDED
By MARC BERMAN
July 18, 2006 -- The Knicks have been granted an extra day to decide whether to match third-string center Jackie Butler's three-year, $7 million offer sheet from the Spurs, but indications are stronger than ever they don't plan to do so.
Because of a clerical error on Butler's offer sheet, the Knicks have until Thursday, instead of tomorrow, to make their decision.
That's eight days to realize matching the offer is fiscal insanity. Butler would cost the Knicks $14 million, including luxury tax. The Knicks plan to make San Antonio wait until Thursday to announce their decision.
Nobody from the Knicks has even contacted Butler or his agent, Keith Glass, since the offer sheet was presented last Wednesday. Butler elected to skip summer league, so the Knicks have no idea what kind of shape he's even in.
The Knicks already have two centers in Eddy Curry and Jerome James, and are counting heavily on both of those big investments.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/...arc_berman.htm
NY Post seems to think he's gone. Looking at Jeffries suggests he's gone.
Where's Butler? It'd be hilarious if he was at Big Boy's somewhere gorging on triple stacks.
And here people thought the Spurs put some secret thing in the contract- but instead it sounds like someone goofed.Because of a clerical error on Butler's offer sheet, the Knicks have until Thursday, instead of tomorrow, to make their decision.
This is the guy to save the summer-Butler elected to skip summer league, so the Knicks have no idea what kind of shape he's even in.
Hopefully James is in good shape and the Knicks know it.
As mentioned earlier, the Knicks actually have 3 who can play center besides Butler. Curry, James and Frye.
On another note...I don't blame people for associating Butler with food. I mean a guy named "Butler" and accompanied by people named "Curry" and "Frye". No wonder he needed a "Taylor" to be nearby.
Butler hoping to go to SA could possibly mean that he is in the best shape of his career. I would worry about his weight if he found out that the Knicks were going to match.
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