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Hmmm. Okay.
You couldn't possibly have hated the idea of signing Rasho as much as I did. I was calling it back in 2002 that Rasho is who the Spurs would end up with instead of Kidd, and how I wanted no part of it.
Hmmm. Okay.
Me and you were 1 and 2.
Remember timvp's thread en led "Do Not Sign Rasho Nesterovic!!!!!!"?
And of course, T Park was the number one Rasho pimp claiming he was going to come in and make Spurs fans forget about David Robinson.
The Knicks said they got an extra day due to a clerical error on the offer sheet, although the offer was technically made on Wednesday. Was the offer sheet for Elson last Wed. made with the same error?
That's a good stance to take.
I don't understand why RC offered Elson a higher contract this year than Butler. I know Elson's a vet and a known quan y, but when that known quan y is a known scrub you would think the unknown would command more.
Yeah they were both held up for similar reasons.
Holt probably used some fuzzy math to try to save a couple bucks.
You mean Elson $3M and Butler $2M per year.
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out why the Spurs offered Elson anything over the minimum.
I don't understand why they'd offer Elson the minimum even. I smell another Chucky Brown situation, and I'm still convinced Butler's not coming. You don't give up young talent that has some trade value over $2 million.
i havent ed in awhile and dont act like you havent bursted out at the Spurs before
Also the knicks will match the offer they are just ing around!
Butler skipped Summer League because he wanted no part of NY.Quote:
Butler elected to skip summer league, so the Knicks have no idea what kind of shape he's even in.
This is the guy to save the summer-
He wanted to give them a clear indication that he wanted to bolt for another team, even prior to signing with the Spurs.
He was Larry Browns boy. Reason why Larry played him was because he busted his ass in practice and on the court, and put much more of an effort than Curry and James combined.
Larry and Demps (now works with the Spurs) gave Pop the scouting report, and know what the kid is made of....he's far from a lazy ass with no game.
Like I said in a previous post, this is going to be a summer that everyone hates on, but in due time will look back as being a great summer all because of this kid. He's the real deal.
I agree with everything you say. I can't bear to be fully excited about him until he's finally a Spur, but this guy has future starter written all over him. And not in the Rasho mold.
Agreed, Mr. Body.
He has the physical tools to play, is agressive down low, has a low post game, active on the boards, and already has displayed the desire to work hard, and is coachable....playing next to Duncan is only going to advance his game, and make that rise to the next level a lot easier and quicker.
He's going to be the steal of free agency.
One major key is going to be his ability to develop as a defender. He doesn't have a lot to start with, but he's young and he isn't stupid, so hopefully he can catch on given time.
Of course, but the Spurs pride themselves on defense.
He's young and he turned down other offers to come to SA because he felt it would be a good fit for him....thus, he knows he's going to have to bust his ass on defense to even see playing time, which I think will be no problem.....I see him starting.
He busted his ass for Larry Brown, because Larry is not going to play a 21 year old if he's not busting his ass or playing D.....same thing will go for Popovich.
Good thing here though....the Spurs have great defensive schemes and of course Tim Duncan, who can lead and show Butler on how to become a better defender.
The kid is no dummy. He knows what he is getting into.
I don't doubt he'll be fine on defense. He averaged 0.6 blocks last year in only about 13 mpg. Defense isn't all about blocks, of course, but that's a pretty decent rate. From what I've seen he's not that slow laterally and he'll bust his butt on rotations. With his size he could be a nice post defender. I can't see him not taking to it.
He could be a total load on the other side. He could become a huge post threat.
I don't think I'll read this thread again... until it's done...
From what I've seen, Butler isn't that great of a defender but he can block shots and he's effective when used to collapse the lane. However, he can be instant offense. He has "the gift" in the paint. Magnet shot short-range.
... AND soft hands. "He'll catch anything" is how the scouting reports describe him.
Butler has that rare combination of good hands and great touch around the basket. He's a similar player to Al Jefferson who is going to be really good one day in his own right.
Man it's going to suck so much when the Knicks match. I can just see Isiah smiling in a press conference holding up a Jackie Butler number 45 jersey and saying how he wanted him the whole time.
And then the Spurs will have Francisco Freakin' Elson wearing his number 2! jersey.
"The Gift" might not be a bad nickname for him, if we manage to get him.
lol @ some of y'all, y'all hype up butler, and then come back with but i know he's gonna get matched.....are y'all trying to jinx it or something, so that he doesn't get matched??
Actually the Nuggets are planning to match as well....Man it's going to suck so much when the Knicks match. I can just see Isiah smiling in a press conference holding up a Jackie Butler number 45 jersey and saying how he wanted him the whole time.
And then the Spurs will have Francisco Freakin' Elson wearing his number 2! jersey.
We can only hope they do.
I don't feel like reading the last two pages.
Have we talked ourselves into thinking he'll be a Spur or are we ing about the FO?
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