crazy people create their own demons, but the right-wing has created a super-inflamed, polarizing, militant, aggressive atmosphere since 1992.
That's absolutely wonderful, but it has nothing to do with what Loughner did.
Unless you know something we don't know and can personally tell us what he was thinking before he went on a spree killing.
Do you know something we don't know? Do you know his motive? Are you just trying to reach and use this as ammunition against people you don't agree with politically?
The vehemence of the gun-toting, assault-rifle-to-political-meetings, guns-for-everyone-everwhere bubbas in trying to dissociate themselves, with absolute cer ude they are 1005 innocnet, from a crazed gun-nut assassinating a Jew ex-Repug Dem woman is very telling.
They created this -and-venom-filled bed that encourages these gun nuts and crazies, and they can lie in it. Sleep well.
Here's some violent t You People, less every one of you, have been flinging:
"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95
"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
- Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton
"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
- Ann Coulter, New York Observer, 08-26-02
"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02
"Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past - I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble - recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an 'enemy of the people.' The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, 'clan liability.' In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished 'to the ninth degree': that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed."
- John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01
"Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God's Law and the disenfranchisement of White men."
- State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), emailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by the Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01
http://www.truth-out.org/print/66686
And yet again, he claims to know why this happened while providing zero evidence.
Truly pathetic.
Fair enough, but there's not a very bright line there.
You can keep copying and pasting these quotes until your fingers fall off, but until you can prove that they had an effect Jared Loughner's actions, you're wasting your time.
You People got the murderous political violence you been talking about for year, now you're too less chick to accept the responsibility.
Proof, no.
And you can't prove your politically violent speech had no effect on the assassin, and others to come.
The suggestion, the probability is much more for my position than for yours.
Exactly. The end.
That's not how it works, idiot. The burden of proof rests solely on the one making the accusations. You don't get to make claims without backing them up with evidence. Well, you can, but they won't be taken seriously.And you can't prove your politically violent speech had no effect on the assassin, and others to come.
Until you have actual evidence, shut up, because you sound stupid.
Nice setup for Obama's policing of the internets on anonymity.
These quotes are examples of the right inciting anger and hate to the point of crossing the line to violence if that is what it takes to get what they want.
There is ZERO evidence that suggests that shooting was motivated by ideology. But keep adding to the "civil" discourse.
And again, I ask for a connection between these quotes and the shooter. If it cannot be proven that Loughner was influenced by them, they are completely and totally irrelevant to the incident.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...-phone-message
So, he is a grammar nazi taken to the extreme. It's become more and more obvious that he is just ing insane, but people still want to point fingers.Tierney, who's also 22, recalls Loughner complaining about a Giffords event he attended during that period. He's unsure whether it was the same one mentioned in the charges—Loughner "might have gone to some other rallies," he says—but Tierney notes it was a significant moment for Loughner: "He told me that she opened up the floor for questions and he asked a question. The question was, 'What is government if words have no meaning?'"
Giffords' answer, whatever it was, didn't satisfy Loughner. "He said, 'Can you believe it, they wouldn't answer my question,' and I told him, 'Dude, no one's going to answer that,'" Tierney recalls. "Ever since that, he thought she was fake, he had something against her."
Maybe his English teacher should be arrested.
Seriously?
After all that's been learned since Saturday, there are people in here willing to believe the Tucson shooting had anything to do with political rhetoric?
Loughner has had a thing for Giffords since 2007, that's before Palin and pre-Tea Party.
Loughner hasn't suggested anywhere, and the FBI has reported there is no evidence Loughner acted in response to anything the Tea Party or conservative talk shows or Sarah Palin have said or done. There's not any evidence he was even aware of the Tea Party.
What we do know is the Pima County Sheriff's office has been aware of this kook and his threats, for some time. Me thinks Dupnik is trying to distract from his own failure to prevent this heinous crime.
Fortunately, not many people are buying the "The Right-Wing Hate Mongers caused this" meme. It's getting a bit tired.
Yep....No connection at all....except you might get shot if you talk about the sensationalists and bombastic nature of wing-nut politics in Arizona apparently..
lack of responsible parents
nothing to do with the lberals or conservatives
but lets blame the rep like usually boutons
everything wrong is always their fault everything right is always the liebral fault right
..the fact he shot a politician makes it political.....
at the wing-nuts who are whining about liberals turning this 'political'...it's political because a popular politician was shot...... o?
Okay, I'll agree with it being political...the fact he shot a politician makes it political.....
I, however, disagree with this assumption that Loughner's actions were the result of violent rhetoric.
Actually, in this case it appears you -- and whoever dare stand near you -- get shot by a psychotic killer that didn't like the way you answered a question three or four years ago. A psychotic killer that has made threats on yours and other lives in the past but couldn't grab the interest of the local sheriff until he saw an opportunity to make political points while, at the same time, distracting the public from the fact he's the local sheriff that couldn't be bothered to cage this madman before he actually massacred 6 people and destroyed the lives of over a dozen others.
There is absolutely no connection between Loughner's motives and any political rhetoric. Unfortunately, it appears Congresswoman Giffords sealed everyone's fate, years ago, by deigning to engage an insane person at a cons uent outing.
maybe, maybe not, but it sure didn't help....either way, it's all about perception in politics...so, expect wing-nut politicians to be missing some 'ammo' at their right hip in future elections.....as for the turned down rhetoric from wing-nuts? I won't hold my breathe....
But, and let's say this together Dan, it has nothing to do with the rhetoric of any of the current political debates in this country. Absolutely nothing...the fact he shot a politician makes it political.....
Loughner attempted to kill Giffords because she was a "fake" politician -- whatever that means in his putrid brain.
If what occurred had nothing to do with rhetoric, I see no point in using the shootings as proof that the rhetoric has gotten out of control.
So far, all these shootings are proof of is that insane people will find insane reasons to do insane things.
And, in this case, it didn't hurt either. It played no role. None. Zilch.
....either way, it's all about perception in politics...so, expect wing-nut politicians to be missing some 'ammo' at their right hip in future elections.....as for the turned down rhetoric from wing-nuts? I won't hold my breathe....You're an idiot.
I should make a thread on this re , MannyIsGod.
Not too long ago he was making fun of me for wanting the country to disallow organizations and "inciteful speech" so it doesn't incite violence among the populace.... so things like this shooting don't happen.
MannyIsGod apparently has had a complete 180, and now finds himself a complete moron. He now agrees with me, even after his "hate cake" posts
These are the things I said that he made fun on August 2010.
and now here he is, saying the country should backlash against people being "irresponsible" with their hate speech because things like this can happen.
The sad part about being wise, is that even when you are correct, it takes some people way too long to realize it.
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