Vicaroge of Jonathon Simmons

[Silver&Black]

people that said this scrub is better than Fathead

FatHead > Simmons >>>>>>>>>> Bonner

[sasaint]

Even by scrap heap standards, Simmons is little bit behind curve..Danny Green established himself in Spurs rotation by age 24-- at Simmons age, he was burying the Heat under hail of 3pts in an NBA Finals (!)..Gary Neal was playing major minutes at start of 2010-2011 season (21.1) and was pulling a weight with upper echelon teams in Europe the seasons before..

JS will be 27 yo at the start of next without having an clear niche in the team yet..He is going to be fighting for that roster spot in camp and and early in the season..I'm little pessimistic he is going to make it to the end..

There are a lot of factors mitigating in his favor. We may be losing several of the old guard. If so, his experience with our system will be a factor in his favor. Whether PATFO has any interest in KMart beyond this season is also a factor. Plus, if we did pursue an expensive free agent, his very cheap contract will help him. SL, being what it is, may not help him much, but another training camp with the mother ship will be big. The Jury is definitely still out, but even if he drops to the end of the bench, he may stay.

[ceperez]

There are a lot of factors mitigating in his favor. We may be losing several of the old guard. If so, his experience with our system will be a factor in his favor. Whether PATFO has any interest in KMart beyond this season is also a factor. Plus, if we did pursue an expensive free agent, his very cheap contract will help him. SL, being what it is, may not help him much, but another training camp with the mother ship will be big. The Jury is definitely still out, but even if he drops to the end of the bench, he may stay.

I seriously doubt that Spurs will not pick up the $840k team option for Simmons. Spurs are already at $84m without resigning Bonner, Boban, Miller and Martin. I seriously doubt Spurs have the money to retain Martin unless at least Manu or Duncan retires.

Spurs also have potential rookies coming in next year: Bertrans, LJC and Lalanne.

[sasaint]

I seriously doubt that Spurs will not pick up the $840k team option for Simmons. Spurs are already at $84m without resigning Bonner, Boban, Miller and Martin. I seriously doubt Spurs have the money to retain Martin unless at least Manu or Duncan retires.

Spurs also have potential rookies coming in next year: Bertrans, LJC and Lalanne.

Simmons is returning, and I expect him to become a rotation player.

I expect Duncan and especially Manu to retire. The team talked Manu into returning. We won't next season. I think Diaw may be gone. The elephant in the room is Tony. Unless he plays to the level of the last game pretty consistently, he is not worth $14MM, and I doubt PATFO will pay him that.

Bertans is the only guy who I see having a realistic shot. Lalanne is still very raw and making the transition to a stretch 4. I don't see LJC ever making it to the NBA.

[tholdren]

I expect Duncan and especially Manu to retire. The team talked Manu into returning. We won't next season. I think Diaw may be gone. The elephant in the room is Tony. Unless he plays to the level of the last game pretty consistently, he is not worth $14MM, and I doubt PATFO will pay him that.

They won't release parker

[sasaint]

They won't release parker

He has to develop better court vision and a pass-first game to be worth $14MM.

[tholdren]

He has to develop better court vision and a pass-first game to be worth $14MM.

not saying he's worth 14m - but if bonner doesn't get dropped for loyalty reasons, no way parker is getting moved.

[sasaint]

not saying he's worth 14m - but if bonner doesn't get dropped for loyalty reasons, no way parker is getting moved.

Bonner doesn't make 14MM, and he is the 15th man!

[tholdren]

Bonner doesn't make 14MM.

He makes 1.4. That's equally as ridiculous

[sasaint]

He makes 1.4. That's equally as ridiculous

No. That is 10% of Tony's cap hit.

[tholdren]

No. That is 10% of Tony's cap hit.

paying 1.4 for doing absolutely nothing is as useless as paying 14 for tony.

[sasaint]

paying 1.4 for doing absolutely nothing is as useless as paying 14 for tony.

No. $14MM is ten times the cap hit.

[Obstructed_View]

well, he's now back from Austin. I want to see Pop throw all sorts of defenders on Curry to see what sticks.

Simmons' defense has been for , which is the main reason he lost his spot in the rotation. Then his confidence followed.

[BatManu20]

[benefactor]

Should have cut his ass and kept Butler tbh.

[wildbill2u]

These guys (boban and Simmons) need minutes to work on their game which they aren't likely to get going down the stretch. D-league seems like a good move right now..

[SAGirl]

The 3 games he's played there recently they have lost, which is not a good sign.
This past game they had him at the SG spot (past couple of games he was at SF).
Shot 4-12, 1-3 on 3s, 2 assists, 5 TO, 4 PF. Only 12 points. http://dleague.nba.com/games/20160320/BAKAUS/
I had seen several games from him last season like this (or worse on # of TO). He was a -24. The team in general shot only 9 threes and the single make was from him, so loosing was a team wide scoring problem. They had only 4 assists and 19 TO.

Considering his low contract he makes sense to retain, but I was moderate on him even during his hype simply bc I had seen many games like this and his ballhandling was very poor under pressure. Bc he's an older prospect and was never the best player in those Austin teams he played at I was skeptical he could be everything ppl thought or wanted him to be. His progress remains to be seen. A bad shooting slump could happen to anyone at any time, but the TO and fouling are a problem.

[ceperez]

Simmons is returning, and I expect him to become a rotation player.

I expect Duncan and especially Manu to retire. The team talked Manu into returning. We won't next season. I think Diaw may be gone. The elephant in the room is Tony. Unless he plays to the level of the last game pretty consistently, he is not worth $14MM, and I doubt PATFO will pay him that.

Bertans is the only guy who I see having a realistic shot. Lalanne is still very raw and making the transition to a stretch 4. I don't see LJC ever making it to the NBA.

Diaw gone after what he did against GSW? I think not. One should never doubt Diaw.

[sasaint]

Diaw gone after what he did against GSW? I think not. One should never doubt Diaw.

One game, my friend. He is not even a 50/50 player - not even one game on, one game off. We need guys who are going to show up with much greater consistency. I really like his skill set and have since he entered the league. But even considering his age, he does not play up to his capability often enough or reliably enough. Going forward, I don't think Boris is a luxury we can afford.

[ChumpDumper]

One game, my friend. He is not even a 50/50 player - not even one game on, one game off. We need guys who are going to show up with much greater consistency. I really like his skill set and have since he entered the league. But even considering his age, he does not play up to his capability often enough or reliably enough. Going forward, I don't think Boris is a luxury we can afford.

Spurs are 59-10 with Boris going at whatever percent and always there to handle the ball, pass it and/or post up teams like Golden State in big games.

Who the are you going to get to replace him?

[sasaint]

The 3 games he's played there recently they have lost, which is not a good sign.
This past game they had him at the SG spot (past couple of games he was at SF).
Shot 4-12, 1-3 on 3s, 2 assists, 5 TO, 4 PF. Only 12 points. http://dleague.nba.com/games/20160320/BAKAUS/
I had seen several games from him last season like this (or worse on # of TO). He was a -24. The team in general shot only 9 threes and the single make was from him, so loosing was a team wide scoring problem. They had only 4 assists and 19 TO.

Considering his low contract he makes sense to retain, but I was moderate on him even during his hype simply bc I had seen many games like this and his ballhandling was very poor under pressure. Bc he's an older prospect and was never the best player in those Austin teams he played at I was skeptical he could be everything ppl thought or wanted him to be. His progress remains to be seen. A bad shooting slump could happen to anyone at any time, but the TO and fouling are a problem.

I hadn't checked the Austin stats in a few weeks, so thanks for the update on Simmons. Very disappointing numbers - as you said, especially with the TO and PFs. As you know, I have expected him to become a part of the Spurs TNG, but if he is stinking up the D-League, consistently committing the same errors, then low contract or not, he may be playing himself off the team and possibly out of the league. I am still pulling for him, but he must turn it around.

[ceperez]

One game, my friend. He is not even a 50/50 player - not even one game on, one game off. We need guys who are going to show up with much greater consistency. I really like his skill set and have since he entered the league. But even considering his age, he does not play up to his capability often enough or reliably enough. Going forward, I don't think Boris is a luxury we can afford.

Sorry, I complete disagree. He's the 2nd best player on the team (when it counts). I don't think you'll find any other player in the league with his unique skill set.

Yes, he does coast a lot, but that's who he is.

[ceperez]

The 3 games he's played there recently they have lost, which is not a good sign.
This past game they had him at the SG spot (past couple of games he was at SF).
Shot 4-12, 1-3 on 3s, 2 assists, 5 TO, 4 PF. Only 12 points. http://dleague.nba.com/games/20160320/BAKAUS/
I had seen several games from him last season like this (or worse on # of TO). He was a -24. The team in general shot only 9 threes and the single make was from him, so loosing was a team wide scoring problem. They had only 4 assists and 19 TO.

Considering his low contract he makes sense to retain, but I was moderate on him even during his hype simply bc I had seen many games like this and his ballhandling was very poor under pressure. Bc he's an older prospect and was never the best player in those Austin teams he played at I was skeptical he could be everything ppl thought or wanted him to be. His progress remains to be seen. A bad shooting slump could happen to anyone at any time, but the TO and fouling are a problem.

Simmons isn't playing well at all recently. Might as well call it a season and see what he can bring together next season.

Unfortunate since I was hoping that he would be able to contribute in the post-season.

[sasaint]

Spurs are 59-10 with Boris going at whatever percent and always there to handle the ball, pass it and/or post up teams like Golden State in big games.

Who the are you going to get to replace him?

We will not get anybody to replace him in the sense of replicating his skill set. But the money might be better spent on a player who will show up more consistently. We may have at least two pairs of very big sneakers to fill next season.

[ChumpDumper]

We will not get anybody to replace him in the sense of replicating his skill set. But the money might be better spent on a player who will show up more consistently. We may have at least two pairs of very big sneakers to fill next season.

Might be?

If they will be big shoes to fill, why not keep the guy who is currently filling those shoes and is under contract for less money next season?