Why I think the Republican party is doomed.

[Wild Cobra]

"Obama is a marxist"

LIAR

Wiki: Marxism

[sabar]

I'm not going to rehash too many points right now, but Ron Paul addresses this issue in his book.



The current GOP are false conservatives, they are neo-conservatives, far right radicals. Ron Paul makes many excellent points on what this nation has become. The federal government has increased to a size and scope that was never imagined under either the cons ution or conservative ideology. They can wire tap us, they tell us how to run our schools, they tax us, they regulate everything, etc, etc. How did we give up so many of our liberties to the federal government? Where are the real conservatives?

I don't care if it is a waste to vote libertarian or cons ution party. It takes votes away from the GOP and with any luck only the radicals will be left there, at which point they will relax their ground to gain loyalty back or die out for Libertarian/Cons ution to take their place.

Both candidates are for huge government. No thanks. I can run my own life without some people in suits 900 miles away telling me what my children should be doing in my local school.

Look at all we have we given up.
I will not, I cannot elect people that will just give more power to big brother. We have two socialists running for president, neither will balance the budget.

Drop support for the GOP and vote third party, they have betrayed you. The left will win this election and the only way the GOP will go back to its roots is by telling them, "no more authoritarian government". What is truly sad is the so-called conservatives supporting things like torture, bans on gay marriage, wiretapping, and so forth, things that are the TOTAL OPPOSITE of keeping government out of your life and keeping your liberties. I cannot believe people actually support this. They are not conservatives, they are right-wing radical nuts walking the razor's edge of fascism.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not going to rehash too many points right now, but Ron Paul addresses this issue in his book.



The current GOP are false conservatives, they are neo-conservatives, far right radicals. Ron Paul makes many excellent points on what this nation has become. The federal government has increased to a size and scope that was never imagined under either the cons ution or conservative ideology. They can wire tap us, they tell us how to run our schools, they tax us, they regulate everything, etc, etc. How did we give up so many of our liberties to the federal government? Where are the real conservatives?

I don't care if it is a waste to vote libertarian or cons ution party. It takes votes away from the GOP and with any luck only the radicals will be left there, at which point they will relax their ground to gain loyalty back or die out for Libertarian/Cons ution to take their place.

Both candidates are for huge government. No thanks. I can run my own life without some people in suits 900 miles away telling me what my children should be doing in my local school.

Look at all we have we given up.
I will not, I cannot elect people that will just give more power to big brother. We have two socialists running for president, neither will balance the budget.

Drop support for the GOP and vote third party, they have betrayed you. The left will win this election and the only way the GOP will go back to its roots is by telling them, "no more authoritarian government". What is truly sad is the so-called conservatives supporting things like torture, bans on gay marriage, wiretapping, and so forth, things that are the TOTAL OPPOSITE of keeping government out of your life and keeping your liberties. I cannot believe people actually support this. They are not conservatives, they are right-wing radical nuts walking the razor's edge of fascism.

You would likely simply end up splitting the "conservative" vote, giving the left more power.

As a left-leaning moderate, I say go for it.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not going to rehash too many points right now, but Ron Paul addresses this issue in his book.



The current GOP are false conservatives, they are neo-conservatives, far right radicals. Ron Paul makes many excellent points on what this nation has become. The federal government has increased to a size and scope that was never imagined under either the cons ution or conservative ideology. They can wire tap us, they tell us how to run our schools, they tax us, they regulate everything, etc, etc. How did we give up so many of our liberties to the federal government? Where are the real conservatives?

I don't care if it is a waste to vote libertarian or cons ution party. It takes votes away from the GOP and with any luck only the radicals will be left there, at which point they will relax their ground to gain loyalty back or die out for Libertarian/Cons ution to take their place.

Both candidates are for huge government. No thanks. I can run my own life without some people in suits 900 miles away telling me what my children should be doing in my local school.

Look at all we have we given up.
I will not, I cannot elect people that will just give more power to big brother. We have two socialists running for president, neither will balance the budget.

Drop support for the GOP and vote third party, they have betrayed you. The left will win this election and the only way the GOP will go back to its roots is by telling them, "no more authoritarian government". What is truly sad is the so-called conservatives supporting things like torture, bans on gay marriage, wiretapping, and so forth, things that are the TOTAL OPPOSITE of keeping government out of your life and keeping your liberties. I cannot believe people actually support this. They are not conservatives, they are right-wing radical nuts walking the razor's edge of fascism.

Wierd, it let me double post. sorry.

[RandomGuy]

Well republicans...IS SARAH PALIN THE NEW FACE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

Turns out she was Trump 1.0

Hows this thread for a blast from the past?

Worth reading 8 years on.

[rmt]

Trump is entertaining. Palin's voice and screeching are terrible.

[Chinook]

Parties are just solidified coalitions anyway. In theory, the elements in those coalitions can swap back and forth. A third party isn't sustainable, so that's not really a long-term concern. But will we see the coalitions shift for the first time since the LBJ era?

Populism is a wildcard that could cause more tremors if it moves.

[DMC]

Eh, it's cyclical. That's part of the reason why I'm voting for Obama. The right needs to crash and burn and reinvent themselves. And really, there's nothing wrong with that. Political parties reinventing themselves is a cycle.

I find it a bit humorous when those on the left tend to think that we are headed into an era where the Democrats will rule the nation for generations as the Republicans die a slow and painful death. By 2012 or 2016, the right will have regained their footing and the left will be in their own crisis.

'Tis just the way things work in the political world.

GOAT

[Clipper Nation]

Turns out she was Trump 1.0

No, Palin was the sneak preview of future non-serious wingnuts like Rick "Frothy" Santorum, Herman Cain, Mic e Bachmann, and Ben Carson.

Trump was a serious candidate. Palin was a complete joke that McCain dug up so he could pander to angry Hillary loyalists and the Republicans could claim that they were making history too.

[midnightpulp]

You kind of called it. Trump isn't an establishment Republican. They sicced their chosen ones after him during their primaries and he knocked them out, one-by-one.

Trump is some strange FDR/Reagan/Quasi Libertarian hybrid.

Establishment Republicans will hate:

- His 500-1 trillion "New Deal" infrastructure plan. Obama tried to push a similar plan through, but was blocked by Congress.

- His anti-globalization/protectionist leanings. Republicans love themselves some big transnational corporations that can freely outsource to any country they please.

- His now strong ties to the Rust Belt. Make no mistake, those people aren't Republicans. They were frustrated Democrats fed up with their party and voted Trump in as a you. But if Trump has any sincere interest in somewhat reviving the region, he's going to have play ball with the Unions. This is why the GOP never performed well in the area. It's Union dominated, and as I've said before, Unions and Republicans are mortal enemies.

- I actually think Trump is more a social progressive than a Bible thumper. At least I hope so.

- He might flip on his healthcare plan. Trump has been caught saying numerous times he favors a single payer system. Straight from his online mouthpiece.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...se-on-wealthy/

And progressives need to hold him to it. Instead of these silly "Not My President" protests, filled with bored purple-headed college students looking for something to do aside from complaining on facebook, they need to show up at every rally, every speech, in the coming months and hammer him on this. The Huffpos and Voxs need to do the same. Instead of focusing on smear, they need to inform progressives that this man, your president, PROMISED you the thing you've been wanting for decades, so hold him to it.

The GOP is definitely shaking in their loafers, so yeah, they might be doomed after all.

[baseline bum]

You kind of called it. Trump isn't an establishment Republican. They sicced their chosen ones after him during their primaries and he knocked them out, one-by-one.

Trump is some strange FDR/Reagan/Quasi Libertarian hybrid.

Establishment Republicans will hate:

- His 500-1 trillion "New Deal" infrastructure plan. Obama tried to push a similar plan through, but was blocked by Congress.

- His anti-globalization/protectionist leanings. Republicans love themselves some big transnational corporations that can freely outsource to any country they please.

- His now strong ties to the Rust Belt. Make no mistake, those people aren't Republicans. They were frustrated Democrats fed up with their party and voted Trump in as a you. But if Trump has any sincere interest in somewhat reviving the region, he's going to have play ball with the Unions. This is why the GOP never performed well in the area. It's Union dominated, and as I've said before, Unions and Republicans are mortal enemies.

- I actually think Trump is more a social progressive than a Bible thumper. At least I hope so.

- He might flip on his healthcare plan. Trump has been caught saying numerous times he favors a single payer system. Straight from his online mouthpiece.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...se-on-wealthy/

And progressives need to hold him to it. Instead of these silly "Not My President" protests, filled with bored purple-headed college students looking for something to do aside from complaining on facebook, they need to show up at every rally, every speech, in the coming months and hammer him on this. The Huffpos and Voxs need to do the same. Instead of focusing on smear, they need to inform progressives that this man, your president, PROMISED you the thing you've been wanting for decades, so hold him to it.

The GOP is definitely shaking in their loafers, so yeah, they might be doomed after all.

My biggest fear with Trump is that he's too lazy to actually govern on what he ran on, and that he'll just hand the reigns to Pence the same way Bush did with Cheney. I don't think it's a ridiculous idea considering this is exactly what Trump promised Kasich when recruiting him to be his VP. Trump could actually end up a decent president if he means any of the he said, but I'm skeptical.

[midnightpulp]

My biggest fear with Trump is that he's too lazy to actually govern on what he ran on, and that he'll just hand the reigns to Pence the same way Bush did with Cheney. I don't think it's a ridiculous idea considering this is exactly what Trump promised Kasich when recruiting him to be his VP. Trump could actually end up a decent president if he means any of the he said, but I'm skeptical.

Me too. I feel like he wanted to be president because he likes the idea of being president for the status and power it projects rather than actually initiating change.

[101A]

Turns out she was Trump 1.0

Hows this thread for a blast from the past?

Worth reading 8 years on.

I miss Dark Reign.

This from TIMVP was somewhat prophetic, but also didn't grasp the depth of the morass we were into:

The cycle I see happening is a cycle we have seen before. When the financial crisis has been overcome, we should see a rise in the per capita income. Once the economy is flourishing again, the Republicans can come back on the scene offering smaller government, lower taxes and a "return of family values" or some other effective wedge issue. Combine that with the country's insatiable yearning for "change" and I fully expect the Republicans to be back in power in 2016. (Perhaps it could be 2012 but for the sake of the USA, I'm hoping Obama is a great success and not a one term flameout.)

That rise has not happened. Thus: Trump.

[Winehole23]

since 2013, there has been a rise in household income, but ever so slight

[Nbadan]

The GOP is definitely shaking in their loafers, so yeah, they might be doomed after all.

there is some policy common ground...but yeah, I wonder when all these feelings of cooperation will last for the GOP

[RandomGuy]

Trump was a serious candidate.

I wish I could say this is wrong. My first impulse is to say "yeah right", but he won, and that is sort of the best definition of serious, despite the fact that I rather obviously don't think he is anywhere close.

Trump's ideas of policy are anything but serious though, and if you say they are, explain to me how anyone serious/sane would ever "renegotiate" the national debt.

[RandomGuy]

You kind of called it. Trump isn't an establishment Republican. They sicced their chosen ones after him during their primaries and he knocked them out, one-by-one.

Trump is some strange FDR/Reagan/Quasi Libertarian hybrid.

Establishment Republicans will hate:

- His 500-1 trillion "New Deal" infrastructure plan. Obama tried to push a similar plan through, but was blocked by Congress.

- His anti-globalization/protectionist leanings. Republicans love themselves some big transnational corporations that can freely outsource to any country they please.

- His now strong ties to the Rust Belt. Make no mistake, those people aren't Republicans. They were frustrated Democrats fed up with their party and voted Trump in as a you. But if Trump has any sincere interest in somewhat reviving the region, he's going to have play ball with the Unions. This is why the GOP never performed well in the area. It's Union dominated, and as I've said before, Unions and Republicans are mortal enemies.

- I actually think Trump is more a social progressive than a Bible thumper. At least I hope so.

- He might flip on his healthcare plan. Trump has been caught saying numerous times he favors a single payer system. Straight from his online mouthpiece.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...se-on-wealthy/

And progressives need to hold him to it. Instead of these silly "Not My President" protests, filled with bored purple-headed college students looking for something to do aside from complaining on facebook, they need to show up at every rally, every speech, in the coming months and hammer him on this. The Huffpos and Voxs need to do the same. Instead of focusing on smear, they need to inform progressives that this man, your president, PROMISED you the thing you've been wanting for decades, so hold him to it.

The GOP is definitely shaking in their loafers, so yeah, they might be doomed after all.

All good points, and well put. Don't find much that I disagree with, and thanks.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump's ideas of policy are anything but serious though, and if you say they are, explain to me how anyone serious/sane would ever "renegotiate" the national debt.

It's kind of like a serious/sane person declaring their victory would cause the ocean to recede.

[angrydude]

I wish I could say this is wrong. My first impulse is to say "yeah right", but he won, and that is sort of the best definition of serious, despite the fact that I rather obviously don't think he is anywhere close.

Trump's ideas of policy are anything but serious though, and if you say they are, explain to me how anyone serious/sane would ever "renegotiate" the national debt.

How does any debt get renegotiated? By telling people you aren't going to pay them. What are they going to do? Declare war? England wouldn't even declare war on Iceland.

And before you say that means you can't get credit in the future, ask any business that TARGETS people after they file for bankruptcy.

[RandomGuy]

How does any debt get renegotiated? By telling people you aren't going to pay them. What are they going to do? Declare war? England wouldn't even declare war on Iceland.

And before you say that means you can't get credit in the future, ask any business that TARGETS people after they file for bankruptcy.

Analogy fail. The United States Government is not a private individual.

The implications of the US government seriously threatening default are so far reaching and systemic I could write a ing book on it, and still not get to everything.

This is a Very Bad Idea. If you think it is even remotely plausible or desirable, I would highly recommend a few finance/economics classes.

[mavsfan1000]

We're back es.

[baseline bum]

Me too. I feel like he wanted to be president because he likes the idea of being president for the status and power it projects rather than actually initiating change.

Well , he's the lazy bas I predicted who handed the reigns to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and played salesman for their agenda, and Trumpers seem to love him for it. I never imagined his presidency would be this level of cluster though.