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So. they were more tired when Rose was in the game, than when Kurt Thomas was in the game, huh?
NEW YORK (AP) -- Stephon Marbury and the New York Knicks took advantage of the tired Indiana Pacers to win consecutive games for the first time since late December.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2005022618
did not watch the game but according to the article FROM YAHOO NOT PACER PAPER
they were tired
So. they were more tired when Rose was in the game, than when Kurt Thomas was in the game, huh?
Nazr's tall, Malik's undersized. End of discussion.
Bowen was a great defender back in the day. He just didn't get the credit. Name me one defender thats not winning or pumping in 15-20 PPG that does get credit. If Ariza and Pietrus got traded or dropped today no way in does that make them underachievers.
good points
I really don't like the fact that Whottt found this article saying Mohammad takes nights off and isn't an active defender, that's the kind of that kills what we have, and that would really piss me off if we traded Malik away for a Zach Randolph (energy level not the drugs)
as the game progressed they probably became more tired. knicks players have given up too. malik hasn't yet.
you can't judge malik's success in new york on one game. you can't judge nazr's success in san antonio on zero games.
but, yeah, if you want to believe that malik is gold and that we're doomed without him, then be my guest. maybe tim will finally emerge from malike's shadow. juding by the outcry, i assume tim is his backup.
I find it funny you would believe a new york media article
even peter versey was blasting thomas for the trade
but one game changes everything
now had rose got one rebound 3 turnovers in 7 minutes
I wonder what the article would have said
as soon as malik has a bad game, the new york media will crucify him. as soon as nazr has a good game, the media will call for thomas' head.
well hopefully Malik will only have good games and Mohammad will have better ones.
^ agreed
hope in one hand.......
LMAO...sorry dude. That was most definitely a typo. I can see why you classified that as talking out of my ass...but it was a typo I promise. Obviously.
I meant Mohammed is not a better shotblocker than Rasho.
Last edited by whottt; 02-27-2005 at 11:34 PM.
Prove me wrong, Nazr...I dare you, you big pussy.
I like this Sequ immitation.....
I do not feel bad, because I do not count Nazr as a Spurs just yet, since he has nevr played in a game for my Spurs.
Is Rasho really that good at shot blocking either? All of the sudden since his injury everyone seems to think his defensive prowess is un-matched throughout the league, I never thought much of Rasho's play, and he never gives me much to appreciate, other than the occasional 10+ rebounds, but that is rare.
i'm going to miss malik but im trying to understand the "business" side of the decision. i'm glad he had a good first game. i want new york to see what a wonderful guy they just got.
And we choked butt against LA last season in the playoffs. That was the series where Horry and Malik's roles needed to be reversed.
Malik was effective for us the last time he got any PT.
He wasn't blasting the talent trade off...none of the writers are.
In fact he made sure to mention that Malik was a favorite of his.
They are blasting Isiah for blowing up the payroll...
Yeah i Haven't found a single writer who has said the Spurs got the better end of this deal on pure talent, but more that they dropped payroll and added size, never said that Malik wasn't a more talented player than Mohammad though.
well they said they improved their only weakness
height
I call that smart
I do not think mohammad is much more talented then rose
he is taller though and can guard bigger people
Are you freaking kidding me? 10 points and 10 rebounds a game for Nazr Mohammed? That would never happen.
If it does happen (which it won't), the Spurs would have made the best trade in franchise history.
Significantly more minutes? He averaged 28.1 minutes per game on the Knicks. How many minutes do you see him averaging on the Spurs?I think he'll see significantly more minutes than what he was getting in NY, and that we'll largely have a three man big rotation with him, Rasho, and Tim, with Horry and Tmass only seeing spot minutes where foul problems or unique matchup situations dictate.
I know you hated Malik but you are acting like the Spurs traded for Ben Wallace.
Yeah, Bowen was his teammate for a couple months so he'll be a great defender.I'm not worried about Nazr defensively, he and Bowen know each other and I think Bowen will take him under his wing to speed the learning curve. Also noticed Tmass talking with him during pre-game last night, and like has been mentioned elsewhere - the coaches had his ear the whole game last night giving him the sideline view of what's going on and what's expected of him.
Tell that scout that you think Nazr is going to average 10 and 10 on the Spurs and play significantly more minutes than 28.1 and then listen to him laugh and hang up the phone.It says a lot to me that the scout I visited with last night was not very happy with the Knicks about this trade, for one calling Isiah a " ing idiot" and for another saying he can't believe that the spurs both cleared a major cap hit in Rose's contract off the books and also addressed the one glaring weakness in the eyes of most scout types in the West: the lack of depth on the front line behind Tim.
Are you kidding? EVERY article I have read has said the Spurs made out like bandits - saying they got a "quality back up center" AND shed a bersome contract.
No one I'm reading seems to think we downgraded from Malik. No one seems to think we upgraded either, but all we need is him to come in, play 10-15 minutes a game, grab rebounds (he does that well), block shots (he does that well) and maybe hit a few shots.
I predict he'll be more efficient and focused, because he'll be coming off the bench. I like that he is friends with Bowen (I think Kori reported that) because I think of Bowen as the real leader of the team. He sets the tone.
I'm not sure if he was an underacheiver or simply a slow developing achiever, but Avery Johnson sure played better as a Spur than he had elsewhere, eventually guiding the team to a championship.
LJ,
Sorry, that should have said *consistently* more minutes. There's some nights in NY where he had like 12 minutes played. As for his minutes, I think he'll take 10 from Tim and 18-20 or so depending on matchups from Rasho.
And do you want to readjust that 10 and 10 figure or are you sticking to it?
I'm sticking with it. I don't expect him to hit it right away, but think that by the time April and the playoffs roll around, we'll be able to pencil him in for that every night.
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