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    Not pointless... we just took the scenic route to discover we share roughly the same opinion.



    As long as Sarver owns the Suns, he will always be numero uno on my "people to kill" list. And unlike in Billy Madison, it's going to take more than a phone call apology and an invitation for a cup of coffee for me to forgive him.

    Even if the Suns were to win a le under his watch, I'd still begrudge him for all the les he cheapskated away during this stretch. They were never far off. One, maybe two key players each year at a specific position like backup PG and backup PF or C. He had every opportunity to draft them and failed.
    I agree completely.....fortunately Saver doesn't plan on owning the team for more than 5 more years.

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    The Suns should Consider this, all Memphis has to do is Throw in a pick or so
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~29&te=&cash=

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    The Suns should Consider this, all Memphis has to do is Throw in a pick or so
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~29&te=&cash=
    I'd be happy with that, nothing spectacular but some pieces.....I'm just not a big conley fan.....he doesn't seem to care very much.

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    That Memphis trade is only so so... They'd need to include this year's 1st (unprotected) and a future 1st for me to even consider that.

    Memphis' best option to attain Amare would need to include Gay and either Arthur or Conley and, depending on which player is selected from the previous, either Warrick or Lowry.

    I would be pretty happy with a Gay/Arthur/Lowry/Darko for Amare/Dragic/

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    That Memphis trade is only so so... They'd need to include this year's 1st (unprotected) and a future 1st for me to even consider that.

    Memphis' best option to attain Amare would need to include Gay and either Arthur or Conley and, depending on which player is selected from the previous, either Warrick or Lowry.

    I would be pretty happy with a Gay/Arthur/Lowry/Darko for Amare/Dragic/
    that would be pretty nice

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    but i think memphis has 0 interest in trading Gay

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    Memphis obviously isn't giving Mayo, but as JMarks said a Gay, Darko, Arthur, Lowry package for Amare is good in my book. Lowry probably won't be starting at PG on a contender any time soon, but neither will Conley.

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    After watching yesterday's game I think pho could be ok just getting a new coach or playing without one. Detroit sucks but I didn't even notice porter was out and was wondering why they were running more than usual and then dumping the ball to shaq when nash was out. I think porter is an ok coach, just not for this team.

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    After watching yesterday's game I think pho could be ok just getting a new coach or playing without one. Detroit sucks but I didn't even notice porter was out and was wondering why they were running more than usual and then dumping the ball to shaq when nash was out. I think porter is an ok coach, just not for this team.
    Idk what the point would be in going back to a system proven to lose in the playoffs.

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    Idk what the point would be in going back to a system proven to lose in the playoffs.
    You missed the part about dumping it into Shaq when nash is off the floor. The thing that has killed Pho for years in addition to D was the team imploding every time nash sat. They can stabilize this by making sure shaq is on the floor when he's out to compensate for having no backup PG. Also shaq is actually putting backspin on his freethrows so someone there must've got through to him... If that was porter, I take back every bad think I've ever said about him.

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    You missed the part about dumping it into Shaq when nash is off the floor. The thing that has killed Pho for years in addition to D was the team imploding every time nash sat. They can stabilize this by making sure shaq is on the floor when he's out to compensate for having no backup PG. Also shaq is actually putting backspin on his freethrows so someone there must've got through to him... If that was porter, I take back every bad think I've ever said about him.
    This perpetual at ude to maximize the offense and welcome the label as a top 5 worst defensive team is not going to win any championships. They are still one of the top 5 offensive teams in basketball, offense with/without Nash on the floor isn't the issue. Defense is the biggest issue, and until it is addressed the Suns won't be going anywhere.

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    This perpetual at ude to maximize the offense and welcome the label as a top 5 worst defensive team is not going to win any championships. They are still one of the top 5 offensive teams in basketball, offense with/without Nash on the floor isn't the issue. Defense is the biggest issue, and until it is addressed the Suns won't be going anywhere.
    Ok, then here's what I don't get. They now have shaq to anchor the D and their d still sucks. back when they had marion and bell Gginobilli, parker, snails, slothes, and grass would drive to the hoop uncontested just as they did now. Sure the players can be to blame, but all the moves made so far and coaching has done 0 to improve the D.

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    Ok, then here's what I don't get. They now have shaq to anchor the D and their d still sucks. back when they had marion and bell Gginobilli, parker, snails, slothes, and grass would drive to the hoop uncontested just as they did now. Sure the players can be to blame, but all the moves made so far and coaching has done 0 to improve the D.
    Porter cannot improve the D when the players refuse to work with him. Amare and Nash handicap this team so much on D it's impossible for them to be any good.

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    Porter cannot improve the D when the players refuse to work with him. Amare and Nash handicap this team so much on D it's impossible for them to be any good.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Y38z_QC04

    better include barbosa and shaq....

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    There were 4 defenders on the play and no one did anything... It's more than a nash/amare problem...

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    There were 4 defenders on the play and no one did anything... It's more than a nash/amare problem...
    yeah, it's a problem spread throughout the team because it's captain and self-proclaimed leader doesn't play defense.

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    Warriors 'Very Active' In Pursuit Of Amare

    The Warriors are intent on pursuing Suns forward Amare Stoudemire, who appears likely to change addresses before the Feb. 19 trade deadline passes.

    "They've gotten very active with the Stoudemire stuff," said one NBA source of Golden State.

    If the Warriors aren't able to land Stoudemire, sources also claim that they'll try to get involved with another young big man.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...suit_of_amare/

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    The only trade I'm interested in with the Warriors is Ellis/Randolph/Wright/Azubuike

    Anything else doesn't appeal to a team rebuilding.

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    Amare on Warriors would be a beast. Warriors would be dangerous in reg season.

    A trade of Amare for Magette/Biedrins would also benefit suns. that would be the way to go 4 both teams

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    Why the would Phoenix want Maggette?

    Phoenix needs expiring contracts or YOUNG talent. Maggette is not an answer to help them now, nor later.

    Ellis/Randolph/Wright/Azubuike or no trade. They could keep Azubuike if they include an expiring contract.

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    Amare isn't worth any of that.

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    The only trade I'm interested in with the Warriors is Ellis/Randolph/Wright/Azubuike

    Anything else doesn't appeal to a team rebuilding.
    Warriors would be d-u-m

    Way too much for a scrub PF

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    You're dreaming if you think they would give all of that for someone who is gonna leave whatever team he's on in 2010.

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    Just say no to Bad Porn.

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