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    I personally like the part where he defends his not "rallying the troops" because he's not a captain. Salty much?

    When Amaré Stoudemire started talking about Mike D'Antoni in the past tense last April - before the then-Suns coach departed - D'Antoni's exit appeared increasingly likely.

    After meeting Friday morning with Suns General Manager Steve Kerr about trade rumors, Stoudemire sounded like he had started packing.

    He talked as if he expected to be traded before clarifying that he wishes to be "a Phoenix Sun forever" and sign a contract extension this summer.

    "It's kind of good that a lot of teams want me right now," said Stoudemire, who is under contract for two more years worth $34.1 million. "That's positive. Obviously, probably a little bit of financial decision going on. Probably trying to clear things up from their standpoint. A lot of times, when something like this happens it's more of a business move than anything else.

    "I know for sure, wherever I go, we're going to definitely be playoff contenders. I bring a lot to the table."

    When noted that he sounded like he anticipated a trade, Stoudemire said he "would love to stay here. You just never know what happens. You would never have thought Shawn Marion would get traded when they did it or Raja (Bell) or Boris (Diaw). Just to be a step ahead, I always try to look forward and turn anything into a positive."

    Stoudemire emphasized how well he gets along with teammates but made it clear that he is getting an unfair share of blame for the Suns' underwhelming season.

    "To whom much is given, much is expected," coach Terry Porter said on whether criticism of Stoudemire was unfair.

    "Half the time, it's pretty much on me," Stoudemire said. "But I'm not a captain. So you can't put too much of the blame on me. It's not my job to rally the troops and get everybody on board. It's the captains' job to do that. I pretty much play my position. I go out there and play hard and try to lead us in scoring and try to do the intangibles. I try to get better defensively, and I have gotten better defensively."

    Stoudemire was a captain last season but the players voted for Grant Hill, Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal as captains for this season. He said Kerr told him anybody on the team could be traded and admitted the trade rumors have been "a little bit of a distraction."

    Kerr said the Suns have been taking "a lot of calls" on Stoudemire.

    "We're not playing to our capabilities, so that's the way it goes when that happens," Kerr said. "I think we can still be good this year, but we also have to make sure we can sustain our success. The last five years, we've made a concerted effort to keep our talent around. We've built up a really big payroll. We've traded some first-round picks, some young assets, so we've got to keep that mind, too."

    Nash also addressed trade talk after Friday's shootaround, which O'Neal missed for traffic school.

    "Of course I want to be here," Nash said, noting that he heard about a Yahoo report that he was "untouchable."

    "I love playing here. I want to see it work out here. I apologize to the fans that it's been a tough year. It's killing me, and I'm sure it's really hurting the fans. I want to see a positive outcome and a resolution to the trouble."

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    "I know for sure, wherever I go, we're going to definitely be playoff contenders. I bring a lot to the table."
    Yeah you're gorilla game, Sun Tzu garbage or whatever re ed crap you've come up with lately have carried so many teams to the finals.


    "Half the time, it's pretty much on me," Stoudemire said. "But I'm not a captain. So you can't put too much of the blame on me. It's not my job to rally the troops and get everybody on board. It's the captains' job to do that. I pretty much play my position. I go out there and play hard and try to lead us in scoring and try to do the intangibles. I try to get better defensively, and I have gotten better defensively."
    whatever happened to being THA MAN!!!?

    I can't wait to hear Paul and Jmarks make an excuse for this piece of comment.

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    I try to get better defensively, and I have gotten better defensively.

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    amare for david west. do their salaries match?

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    David West is older than Amare and worse than Amare.

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    David West is older than Amare and worse than Amare.
    Amare is more re ed than West and more cancerous than West.

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    I'm guessing it's going to happen. It will be interesting to see the interviews that happen if Kerr trades shaq too. Nash untouchable? Do him a favor and send him to NY with Amare. Another thing I find funny is someone mentioning Miami has interest. Guess that would mean marion bolting somewhere. Back to phoenix?

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    Amare has about 2 neurons firing in that cavernous space between his ears.

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    He knows hes gone

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    Nash untouchable? Do him a favor and send him to NY with Amare.
    LMFAO, I'm sure Nash would consider being forced to play with Amare on another team anything but a favor. This makes about as much sense as thinking D'antoni would ok a trade for the player that threw him under the bus less than a year ago.

    You Amare lovers crack me up.

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    I don't see how it would be doing Nash a favor to trade him to another team with Amare. I bet Nash and Hill threw Amare under the bus many times in those closed door meetings.

    Amare has a lot of talent, but it goes to waste because of laziness, stupidity and an over-inflated ego. It's a shame.

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    pauls931, can you please give me the perspective of an Amare excuse maker/homer about his team captain comments? I need a good laugh today.

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    I don't see how it would be doing Nash a favor to trade him to another team with Amare.
    It wouldn't, the Amare groupies assume that I'm the delusional one with the wacky idea that none of his teammates like him, when really they're the delusional ones thinking that Amare is liked and respected by his teammates.

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    pauls931, can you please give me the perspective of an Amare excuse maker/homer about his team captain comments? I need a good laugh today.
    I'm trying to think of a way to explain things that can get through your thick skull. Their problems are more than just Amare. Does that work?

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    Is anyone saying Amare is the only problem the Suns have?

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    Is anyone saying Amare is the only problem the Suns have?
    I don't think anyone is outright saying that, but the extent that some posters bash him certainly infers they think he's the biggest.

    I would disagree with even that. He's a large part, but not anymore than Sarver, Kerr, Porter and Nash. Even escaped players/coaches still have some fault in this mess. Certain at udes of those now departed helped cultivate the current lockerroom.

    If the Suns can get near fair current value for Amare, or a nice bundle of youngsters/picks, then I'm all for trading him. But I'm just as eager to trade everyone, start completely over and play the youth they have draft/aquired and see who develops, then in a few years play the free agent market once you know what you have and what you need.

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    Is anyone saying Amare is the only problem the Suns have?
    No, Pauls931's comment is code for he has no way to make an excuse for Amare's mental re ation so he would rather put words in my mouth and attempt to change the subject.

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    I don't think anyone is outright saying that, but the extent that some posters bash him certainly infers they think he's the biggest.

    I would disagree with even that. He's a large part, but not anymore than Sarver, Kerr, Porter and Nash. Even escaped players/coaches still have some fault in this mess. Certain at udes of those now departed helped cultivate the current lockerroom.
    Wtf did Kerr do wrong other than draft Robin Lopez? He did his best given the inflexibility and lack of options Sarver gave him.

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    Wtf did Kerr do wrong other than draft Robin Lopez? He did his best given the inflexibility and lack of options Sarver gave him.
    I would agree with some of this, but he also drafted Tucker, who's barely played or shown anything when he has. He allowed himself to be Sarver's -ass puppet, trading James Jones and a Rudy Fernandez for crap that same draft, and then failed to put any sort of protection on the picks he traded along with Kurt Thomas to Seattle, a mistake that now looks HUGE as the Suns suck and that pick could be top-10 next year. He hired Porter, a former teammate. He also gave lottery pick money to Dragic, who now sits on the bench.

    Some of this was certainly heavily influenced by Sarver, but Kerr hasn't had any backbone in any of this. His ideas of the direction of this team have changed about as often as months on a calander. He's been too wishy washy to prove himself a leader compitant and capable of assembling a true winner.

    IMO, and this is as a HUGE Kerr fan from UA days and his NBA career, he may not be THE problem, but he's not been anything close to a solution.

    IMO, I don't think there's a single player the Suns should say is untouchable. If they keep some youngsters like Dragic, Tucker and Lopez, then play them.

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    I don't think anyone is outright saying that, but the extent that some posters bash him certainly infers they think he's the biggest.
    Don't you think Amare brought that on himself with comments he's made over the years? If Nash was walking around saying the same things as Amare about wanting to be the man, bringing out his gorilla game (lol), claiming he's better defensively when he's clearly not, etc. he'd be getting the same bashing. Don't hype yourself up if you can't deal with the flack you'll get when you don't live up to the expectations you set.

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    Will Kerr trade Amare to an Eastern Conference team? New York Knicks? or Miami?

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    I would agree with some of this, but he also drafted Tucker, who's barely played or shown anything when he has. He allowed himself to be Sarver's -ass puppet, trading James Jones and a Rudy Fernandez for crap that same draft, and then failed to put any sort of protection on the picks he traded along with Kurt Thomas to Seattle, a mistake that now looks HUGE as the Suns suck and that pick could be top-10 next year. He hired Porter, a former teammate. He also gave lottery pick money to Dragic, who now sits on the bench.
    He works for Sarver lol, what alternatives does he have? If Kerr was hired knowing he would have to be influenced by Sarver, he had no other options.

    Tucker was taken 29th overall.....can't expect an immediate contributor at that spot.

    Kurt Thomas trade was 45% Sarver's fault 45% D'antoni's fault and 10% Kerr's fault. I don't fault him for that.

    he hired Porter because he was cheap and Kerr could say he had head coaching experience. IMO Sarver put a cap on how much he could pay the coach.


    Some of this was certainly heavily influenced by Sarver, but Kerr hasn't had any backbone in any of this
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    I wouldn't say going against your boss's wishes is having a backbone, I'd say it's having stupidity.

    His ideas of the direction of this team have changed about as often as months on a calander. He's been too wishy washy to prove himself a leader compitant and capable of assembling a true winner.
    Who would be capable of assembling a winner when the owner wants Amare to be a franchise player even though he isn't, when the owner wants draft picks sold, and when the fans/players/media constantly bust a nut for a style of basketball that doesn't win les.

    IMO, I don't think there's a single player the Suns should say is untouchable. If they keep some youngsters like Dragic, Tucker and Lopez, then play them.
    There shouldn't be. Nash, Amare, and Shaq, should all be traded for whatever value possible. The post trade deadline product should be the 2009 tankapalooza Suns with the motto "eyes on a top 10 pick".

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    if amare attacks and plays d
    he is not part of the problem
    the problem is he thinks he does not have to play d
    and he does not rebound consistent

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    He works for Sarver lol, what alternatives does he have? If Kerr was hired knowing he would have to be influenced by Sarver, he had no other options.

    Tucker was taken 29th overall.....can't expect an immediate contributor at that spot.

    Kurt Thomas trade was 45% Sarver's fault 45% D'antoni's fault and 10% Kerr's fault. I don't fault him for that.

    he hired Porter because he was cheap and Kerr could say he had head coaching experience. IMO Sarver put a cap on how much he could pay the coach.


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    I wouldn't say going against your boss's wishes is having a backbone, I'd say it's having stupidity.



    Who would be capable of assembling a winner when the owner wants Amare to be a franchise player even though he isn't, when the owner wants draft picks sold, and when the fans/players/media constantly bust a nut for a style of basketball that doesn't win les.



    There shouldn't be. Nash, Amare, and Shaq, should all be traded for whatever value possible. The post trade deadline product should be the 2009 tankapalooza Suns with the motto "eyes on a top 10 pick".
    I think this is all very well argued. However, Kerr was supposed to be a voice of experience. He was a close friend of Sarver. He was supposed to have some sway. To this point, he's only caved on every little thing asked of him.

    Not throwing some protection on the 2010 pick was very, very costly, regardless of the pressures he faced. As an aging team that routinely trades away its youthful assets for bags of chips, you have to have the foresight to protect a pick that has a good change of being a lottery pick.

    Again, Kerr may not have a ton of fault, but he has some and until I see some of his trades/drafts/decisions work out, he hasn't proven capable enough for me to want to keep him around.

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    Again, Kerr may not have a ton of fault, but he has some and until I see some of his trades/drafts/decisions work out, he hasn't proven capable enough for me to want to keep him around.
    You don't look for reasons to fire people IMO. Kerr should be judged for the team we see in 2010-2011. Not a day sooner. He took over a team on the decline with no chance at a le, not his fault.

    Kerr had no FO experience when hired, don't fault him for making mistakes, fault an owner who hired someone with no front office experience AND no background in business and expected a GM who made flawless decisions.

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